From geek97301 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  3 17:57:24 2008
From: geek97301 at yahoo.com (geek97301 at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:57:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GALAXIE] pedal set up
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-W5641979CCB8553A4BBC6D9C7620@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <282219.14067.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

There are several sets on ebay right now:

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=(1965%2C1966%2C1967%2C65%2C66%2C67)+galax*+pedal*&category0=


--- On Fri, 8/29/08, towd at hotmail.com <towd at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: towd at hotmail.com <towd at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [GALAXIE] pedal set up
> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 6:51 PM
> I'm doing a manual conversion and was wondering if
> anyone has the pedal set up for 65-68 galaxie that they
> would be willing to part with?
>  
> thanks 
>  
> dennis 
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From emoratodn at yahoo.com.br  Tue Sep  9 12:03:05 2008
From: emoratodn at yahoo.com.br (Eduardo Nascimento)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 12:03:05 -0300 (ART)
Subject: [GALAXIE] Nascar Galaxies from 65, 66
Message-ID: <439717.8778.qm@web55007.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I?m from Brazil, city of Belo Horizonte and I?m looking for any kind of informations about size, dimentions, and features of 2 doors nascar 65 or 66 galaxies.

I?ll transform and rebuilt a 4 (four) doors brazilian 68 galaxie (it?s the same of american 66) in a 66 model 2 (two) doors Nascar Galaxie. 

My inspiration is the 1965-6 Holman Moody Galaxie Nascar (number 28 - "Fast Freddy" drove to victory in the 1965 Daytona 500 NASCAR race).al  {mso-style-parent:"";  margin:0cm;  margin-bottom:.0001pt;  mso-pagination:widow-orphan;  font-size:12.0pt;  font-family:"Times New Roman";  mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1  {size:612.0pt 792.0pt;  margin:70.85pt 3.0cm 70.85pt 3.0cm;  mso-header-margin:36.0pt;  mso-footer-margin:36.0pt;  mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1  {page:Section1;} -->    /* Style Definitions */  table.MsoNormalTable  {mso-style-name:"Tabela normal";  mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0;  mso-tstyle-colband-size:0;  mso-style-noshow:yes;  mso-style-parent:"";  mso-padding-alt:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;  mso-para-margin:0cm;  mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt;  mso-pagination:widow-orphan;  font-size:10.0pt;  font-family:"Times New Roman";  mso-ansi-language:#0400;  mso-fareast-language:#0400;  mso-bidi-language:#0400;}    

  Any kind of detail, material or brand they used at that time, like size of doors, windows, size of wheels and tires, photos, distance of the ground, detailed photos of frames or Tachometers, Oil Pressure Gauges, Fuel Pressure Gauges, Water Temperature Gauges, Gauge Panels, exhaustor system, air filter system or wherever....

On web I found a lot of pictures, but I don?t have the measures or the real size of the parts and systems.

Thanks!!!


    Geol. Eduardo Morato
Tel.: (5531) 8857 5343 e (5531) 3223 5343



       
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From GALAXIERUS at aol.com  Tue Sep  9 12:19:45 2008
From: GALAXIERUS at aol.com (GALAXIERUS at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:19:45 EDT
Subject: [GALAXIE] Nascar Galaxies from 65, 66
Message-ID: <c50.38892730.35f7ee11@aol.com>

It will not be easy to convert a 4 door sedan to look like a 2 door  hardtop.
 The roof lines are very different, and of course, the doors and  quarter 
panels are, as well.
  For the amount of work involved, you might be better off to import a  66 
Galaxie 2 door hardtop body, and put your efforts into that.
  Someone can certainly get you the dimensions (I cannot, until this  
weekend), but you are looking at MUCHO cutting and welding.
 
Russ Owens
65-66 Galaxie Collector
Milwaukee WI
 
 
In a message dated 9/9/2008 11:10:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
emoratodn at yahoo.com.br writes:

Hi,

I?m from Brazil, city of Belo Horizonte and I?m looking for  any kind of 
informations about size, dimentions, and features of 2 doors  nascar 65 or 66 
galaxies.

I?ll transform and rebuilt a 4 (four) doors  brazilian 68 galaxie (it?s the 
same of american 66) in a 66 model 2 (two)  doors Nascar Galaxie. 

My inspiration is the 1965-6 Holman Moody  Galaxie Nascar (number 28 - "Fast 
Freddy" drove to victory in the 1965 Daytona  500 NASCAR race).   

Any kind of detail, material or brand they used at that time, like  size of 
doors, windows, size of wheels and tires, photos, distance of the  ground, 
detailed photos of frames or Tachometers, Oil Pressure  Gauges, Fuel Pressure 
Gauges, Water Temperature Gauges, Gauge Panels,  exhaustor system, air filter 
system or wherever....

On web I found a  lot of pictures, but I don?t have the measures or the real 
size of the parts  and systems.

Thanks!!!



 
Geol. Eduardo Morato
Tel.: (5531) 8857 5343 e  (5531) 3223 5343


 
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From larsofvt at aol.com  Tue Sep  9 13:26:45 2008
From: larsofvt at aol.com (larsofvt at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:26:45 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] seatbelts in a 64 galaxie
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11504.1220972986.2167.galaxie@lists.twistedpair.ca>
References: <mailman.11504.1220972986.2167.galaxie@lists.twistedpair.ca>
Message-ID: <8CAE0AFFC184AB4-D38-EDD@FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com>

If you can locate back issues of the Galaxie Gazette, the Resto Tips 
column might have covered rear seatbelt conversion also.
Lars


Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:28:45 -0700
From: "tlingley at calvalues.com" <lingley at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] seatbelts in a 64 galaxie
To: "A list for Ford Galaxie owners." <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
Message-ID: <00b001c90a69$a8efc720$ae40fea9 at Ted>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I don't believe rear seat belts were installed in most (if any) '64's 
from the
factory.  Pretty common install for service stations back in the 60's.  
Holes
were drilled through the floorpan for the install.   I can check the 
assembly
manual to see if there are any identifying marks or dimples indicating 
a
drilling location.  Seatbelts were not required until '68 I believe, so 
all cars
prior have been grandfathered.  However, if you're pulled over in a car 
older
than '68 that has seat belts, you must be wearing them.

California law does not allow people under 16 to ride without a 
seatbelt,
(regardless of the age of the vehicle) so my Galaxie sits most of the 
time now
(2 kids, don't want to drill)  I may change my mind however.....would 
love to
take the whole family out for once!


  

From wmrjohnson1 at verizon.net  Tue Sep  9 16:28:19 2008
From: wmrjohnson1 at verizon.net (wmrjohnson1 at verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:28:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GALAXIE] Galaxie Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1
Message-ID: <5068814.6465551220988499632.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>

Edwardo!

I would love to see any pictures you have of your Brazilian '68 - '66 
Galaxie.  How many years were they available?

Bill Johnson
'66 7Litre
'66 428


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>    3. Re: seatbelts in a 64 galaxie (tlingley at calvalues.com)
>    4. Re: 63 460 & 4 speed convirsion (STURAND at aol.com)
>    5. Re: pedal set up (geek97301 at yahoo.com)
>    6. Nascar Galaxies from 65, 66 (Eduardo Nascimento)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:51:40 -0400
> From: <towd at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [GALAXIE] pedal set up
> To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
> Message-ID: <BAY114-W5641979CCB8553A4BBC6D9C7620 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
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>
> I'm doing a manual conversion and was wondering if anyone has the 
> pedal set up for 65-68 galaxie that they would be willing to part 
> with?
>  thanks  dennis 
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> From: Kiwi <kimzoc at gmail.com>
> Subject: [GALAXIE] 63 460 & 4 speed convirsion
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> Hey there to all, Am installing 460 & toploader into my 63 and I need 
> a
> clutch pedal and manual trans crossmember if someone can help please. 
> Also
> doing a 4 wheel disk brake convirsion.  Also any suggestions on what 
> headers
> will fit this combo?   Any and all suggestions greatly appreciated.
> kimzoc at gmail.com   Thanks again
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> From: "tlingley at calvalues.com" <lingley at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] seatbelts in a 64 galaxie
> To: "A list for Ford Galaxie owners." <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
> Message-ID: <00b001c90a69$a8efc720$ae40fea9 at Ted>
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>
> I don't believe rear seat belts were installed in most (if any) '64's 
> from the factory.  Pretty common install for service stations back in 
> the 60's.  Holes were drilled through the floorpan for the install. 
> I can check the assembly manual to see if there are any identifying 
> marks or dimples indicating a drilling location.  Seatbelts were not 
> required until '68 I believe, so all cars prior have been 
> grandfathered.  However, if you're pulled over in a car older than '68 
> that has seat belts, you must be wearing them.
> California law does not allow people under 16 to ride without a 
> seatbelt, (regardless of the age of the vehicle) so my Galaxie sits 
> most of the time now (2 kids, don't want to drill)  I may change my 
> mind however.....would love to take the whole family out for once!
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----   From: Biggalaxie at aol.com   To: 
> galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca   Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 6:39 PM
>   Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] seatbelts in a 64 galaxie
>
>
>   http://www.wescoperformance.com/lap-belts-install.html
>
>   In a message dated 8/29/2008 9:35:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> bbmb at sympatico.ca writes:
>          My Father purchased and restored a 64 Galaxie convertible and 
> then decided that the car should passed on to my 10 year old son. So I 
> am now the caretaker of this car. I however just cannot drive it with 
> the kids in it and not have seatbelts, not to mention they want their 
> friends to come along.
>      I have pulled the rear seat but do not see any place to install 
> the belts as I was told there are in some 64?s. I am very new at this 
> and would greatly appreciate any help offered as I would prefer to do 
> the work with my son for all of the obvious reasons and because I am 
> in the midst of finishing an addition to the house and really can?t 
> afford to start paying for installations if it is not absolutely 
> necessary.
>
>
>     Thank you
>
>     Bill Bechard
>
>     64 Caretaker
>
>
>
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> From: STURAND at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] 63 460 & 4 speed convirsion
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> Crites can help you with the Cross member and the Headers.
>
> Regards,
> S. Randy Miller
> SRM Engineers and  Constructors Inc.
> _www.srmco.com_ (http://www.srmco.com/) 281-546-8743
>  In a message dated 8/29/2008 9:46:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> kimzoc at gmail.com writes:
>
> Hey there to all, Am installing 460 & toploader into my 63  and I need 
> a clutch pedal and manual trans crossmember if someone can help 
> please. Also doing a 4 wheel disk brake convirsion.  Also any 
> suggestions  on what headers will fit this combo?   Any and all 
> suggestions  greatly appreciated.  _kimzoc at gmail.com_ 
> (mailto:kimzoc at gmail.com)    Thanks  again
>
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> From: "geek97301 at yahoo.com" <geek97301 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] pedal set up
> To: "A list for Ford Galaxie owners." <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
> Message-ID: <282219.14067.qm at web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
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> There are several sets on ebay right now:
>
> 
> http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=(1965%2C1966%2C1967%2C65%2C66%2C67)+galax*+pedal*&category0=
>
>
> --- On Fri, 8/29/08, towd at hotmail.com <towd at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: towd at hotmail.com <towd at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: [GALAXIE] pedal set up
>> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 6:51 PM
>> I'm doing a manual conversion and was wondering if
>> anyone has the pedal set up for 65-68 galaxie that they
>> would be willing to part with?
>>  thanks  dennis 
>> _________________________________________________________________
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>> burn a DVD with Windows?.
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 12:03:05 -0300 (ART)
> From: Eduardo Nascimento <emoratodn at yahoo.com.br>
> Subject: [GALAXIE] Nascar Galaxies from 65, 66
> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> Message-ID: <439717.8778.qm at web55007.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi,
>
> I?m from Brazil, city of Belo Horizonte and I?m looking for any kind 
> of informations about size, dimentions, and features of 2 doors nascar 
> 65 or 66 galaxies.
>
> I?ll transform and rebuilt a 4 (four) doors brazilian 68 galaxie (it?s 
> the same of american 66) in a 66 model 2 (two) doors Nascar Galaxie.
> My inspiration is the 1965-6 Holman Moody Galaxie Nascar (number 28 - 
> "Fast Freddy" drove to victory in the 1965 Daytona 500 NASCAR race).al 
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> mso-bidi-language:#0400;}
>   Any kind of detail, material or brand they used at that time, like 
> size of doors, windows, size of wheels and tires, photos, distance of 
> the ground, detailed photos of frames or Tachometers, Oil Pressure 
> Gauges, Fuel Pressure Gauges, Water Temperature Gauges, Gauge Panels, 
> exhaustor system, air filter system or wherever....
>
> On web I found a lot of pictures, but I don?t have the measures or the 
> real size of the parts and systems.
>
> Thanks!!!
>
>
>     Geol. Eduardo Morato
> Tel.: (5531) 8857 5343 e (5531) 3223 5343
>
>
>
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From senrab at pathwaynet.com  Fri Sep 12 14:06:16 2008
From: senrab at pathwaynet.com (Dick Barnes)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
Message-ID: <006901c914f9$df36c2d0$5cd52ed8@New>

I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold. When I turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding the key on start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. continuing to hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn very slowly , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine starts there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have replaced the starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have checked cables by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground and relay to starter. Where do I go next????
Any help appreciated.
Rich 
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From mark at moonware.net  Fri Sep 12 14:39:07 2008
From: mark at moonware.net (Mark E. Mooney)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:39:07 -0700
Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
In-Reply-To: <006901c914f9$df36c2d0$5cd52ed8@New>
References: <006901c914f9$df36c2d0$5cd52ed8@New>
Message-ID: <00e501c914fe$75c9d4e0$0901a8c0@MooneyGraphic>

If you close the small circuit at the solenoid what happens?

 

Sounds like the key-to-solenoid circuit is crusty.

 

MM

 

  _____  

From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick Barnes
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:06 AM
To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem

 

I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold. When I
turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding the key on
start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. continuing to
hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn very slowly
, then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine starts
there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have replaced the
starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have checked cables
by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground and relay
to starter. Where do I go next????
Any help appreciated.
Rich 

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From daleg at wamego.net  Fri Sep 12 14:50:09 2008
From: daleg at wamego.net (Dale)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:50:09 -0500
Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
References: <006901c914f9$df36c2d0$5cd52ed8@New>
Message-ID: <27B165E701E849CAAA53579A383ACBA7@Gier>

Is the connection between the battery posts and cable ends clean and solid? 
I've been baffled with "battery" problems that were simple conection problems. And 
mainly right at the battery. Have you removed the cables at the battery, cleaned both 
posts and cable ends and reconnected? You didn't mention checking this. So just 
asking. If you just clamped the jumper cables over the installed cable ends on the 
battery when bypassing the battery cables, then that might be the problem.  

What is the CCA/CA rating of this battery? Is it "big" enough for your FE engine? Just 
another thought. I recently replaced a "small" 425CA battery on my work car ( 4cyl ) 
when I was having starting problems. Battery wasn't too old either, just too small for the 
job. 

Dale
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dick Barnes 
  To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca 
  Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 12:06 PM
  Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem


  I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold. When I turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding the key on start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. continuing to hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn very slowly , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine starts there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have replaced the starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have checked cables by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground and relay to starter. Where do I go next????
  Any help appreciated.
  Rich 
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From senrab at pathwaynet.com  Fri Sep 12 15:41:43 2008
From: senrab at pathwaynet.com (Dick Barnes)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:41:43 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
References: <mailman.11632.1221241338.2167.galaxie@lists.twistedpair.ca>
Message-ID: <008601c91507$348ed4e0$10d52ed8@New>

Mark ,

By "closing the small circuit" do you mean connecting a jumper across the 2 
small terminals on the solenoid? Would I do this before attempting to start? 
I know this is probably pretty basic, but I don't want to screw anything up 
worse than it already is. If that works how would you suggest I correct the 
problem--new ignition switch?

Thanks, Dick>

> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400
> From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
> Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
> Message-ID: <006901c914f9$df36c2d0$5cd52ed8 at New>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
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> I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold. When I 
> turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding the key 
> on start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. continuing 
> to hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn very 
> slowly , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine 
> starts there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have 
> replaced the starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have 
> checked cables by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to 
> ground and relay to starter. Where do I go next????
> Any help appreciated.
> Rich
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> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:39:07 -0700
> From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'" <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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> If you close the small circuit at the solenoid what happens?
>
>
>
> Sounds like the key-to-solenoid circuit is crusty.
>
>
>
> MM
>
>
>
>  _____
>
> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick Barnes
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:06 AM
> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>
>
>
> I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold. When I
> turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding the key 
> on
> start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. continuing to
> hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn very 
> slowly
> , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine starts
> there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have replaced the
> starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have checked 
> cables
> by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground and 
> relay
> to starter. Where do I go next????
> Any help appreciated.
> Rich
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From mark at moonware.net  Fri Sep 12 15:45:27 2008
From: mark at moonware.net (Mark E. Mooney)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:45:27 -0700
Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
In-Reply-To: <008601c91507$348ed4e0$10d52ed8@New>
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Yes, the two little posts, when crossed will make the solenoid trigger.

If it triggers and the starter spins quickly, the problem is on the "trigger
the solenoid side of things", if it acts the same way, it is on the large
amperage side, either at the solenoid, the starter ground (another likely
culprit) or the connections at the battery.

Do take it out of gear, and don't stand in front of it.... <G>

MM

-----Original Message-----
From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick Barnes
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:42 AM
To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem

Mark ,

By "closing the small circuit" do you mean connecting a jumper across the 2 
small terminals on the solenoid? Would I do this before attempting to start?

I know this is probably pretty basic, but I don't want to screw anything up 
worse than it already is. If that works how would you suggest I correct the 
problem--new ignition switch?

Thanks, Dick>

> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400
> From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
> Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
> Message-ID: <006901c914f9$df36c2d0$5cd52ed8 at New>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold. When I

> turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding the key 
> on start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. continuing 
> to hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn very 
> slowly , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine 
> starts there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have 
> replaced the starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have 
> checked cables by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to 
> ground and relay to starter. Where do I go next????
> Any help appreciated.
> Rich
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> From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'" <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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> If you close the small circuit at the solenoid what happens?
>
>
>
> Sounds like the key-to-solenoid circuit is crusty.
>
>
>
> MM
>
>
>
>  _____
>
> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick Barnes
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:06 AM
> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>
>
>
> I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold. When I
> turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding the key 
> on
> start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. continuing to
> hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn very 
> slowly
> , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine starts
> there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have replaced the
> starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have checked 
> cables
> by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground and 
> relay
> to starter. Where do I go next????
> Any help appreciated.
> Rich
>
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From GALAXIERUS at aol.com  Fri Sep 12 16:02:36 2008
From: GALAXIERUS at aol.com (GALAXIERUS at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:02:36 EDT
Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
Message-ID: <cd4.384e0cfd.35fc16cc@aol.com>

After reading the other responses, I must admit, that is a strange  sounding 
problem.
  To test the solenoid and starter, I pull the small connector that is  
closest to the battery connection, and jumper across it. This will activate the  
solenoid and thus the starter, if all is well, there.
  If this works, you have a wiring problem or bad switch in the  dash.
  The engine will not start when you jump this terminal, unless you  have the 
key turned on.
  Still, make sure it is not in gear.
  Take two beers, and call me in the morning!
 
Russ Owens
 
 
In a message dated 9/12/2008 1:28:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
senrab at pathwaynet.com writes:

I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold. When  I 
turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding the key on  
start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. continuing to hold  
the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn very slowly , then 
 increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine starts there is 
no  further problem until the next cold start. I have replaced the starter 
motor  and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have checked cables by running  
jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground and relay to starter.  
Where do I go next????
Any help appreciated.
Rich  


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From betnden at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 19:26:48 2008
From: betnden at gmail.com (Dennis W)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:26:48 -0500
Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
In-Reply-To: <013201c91507$ba14ced0$0901a8c0@MooneyGraphic>
References: <mailman.11632.1221241338.2167.galaxie@lists.twistedpair.ca>
	<008601c91507$348ed4e0$10d52ed8@New>
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Message-ID: <8c0c92e10809121526i467dd9d0i925b028c317d76e3@mail.gmail.com>

Mark, you cannot cross the 2 'little posts' to make the solenoid to work,
connecting the front (closest to the positive post)  'little post' to the
battery post will.

Dick, you can't fix it by 'throwing parts at it'. The initial description
made me think of a slow-to-respond solenoid, but if it has been replaced
that may not be the problem. It might be a positive cable or connection from
the battery, or maybe a bad ground to the solenoid, but I'm still thinking
it's related to the slow-to-respond solenoid.

Dennis in eastexas

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Mark E. Mooney <mark at moonware.net> wrote:

>
> Yes, the two little posts, when crossed will make the solenoid trigger.
>
> If it triggers and the starter spins quickly, the problem is on the
> "trigger
> the solenoid side of things", if it acts the same way, it is on the large
> amperage side, either at the solenoid, the starter ground (another likely
> culprit) or the connections at the battery.
>
> Do take it out of gear, and don't stand in front of it.... <G>
>
> MM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick Barnes
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:42 AM
> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>
> Mark ,
>
> By "closing the small circuit" do you mean connecting a jumper across the 2
> small terminals on the solenoid? Would I do this before attempting to
> start?
>
> I know this is probably pretty basic, but I don't want to screw anything up
> worse than it already is. If that works how would you suggest I correct the
> problem--new ignition switch?
>
> Thanks, Dick>
>
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400
> > From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> > To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
> > Message-ID: <006901c914f9$df36c2d0$5cd52ed8 at New>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> >
> > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold. When
> I
>
> > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding the key
> > on start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. continuing
> > to hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn very
> > slowly , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine
> > starts there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have
> > replaced the starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have
> > checked cables by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to
> > ground and relay to starter. Where do I go next????
> > Any help appreciated.
> > Rich
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> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:39:07 -0700
> > From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
> > Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> > To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'" <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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> > If you close the small circuit at the solenoid what happens?
> >
> >
> >
> > Sounds like the key-to-solenoid circuit is crusty.
> >
> >
> >
> > MM
> >
> >
> >
> >  _____
> >
> > From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> > [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick Barnes
> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:06 AM
> > To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold. When
> I
> > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding the key
> > on
> > start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. continuing to
> > hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn very
> > slowly
> > , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine starts
> > there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have replaced
> the
> > starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have checked
> > cables
> > by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground and
> > relay
> > to starter. Where do I go next????
> > Any help appreciated.
> > Rich
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From mark at moonware.net  Fri Sep 12 19:42:14 2008
From: mark at moonware.net (Mark E. Mooney)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:42:14 -0700
Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
In-Reply-To: <8c0c92e10809121526i467dd9d0i925b028c317d76e3@mail.gmail.com>
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Sorry about the poor tigger information, but triggering the solenoid from
the solenoid is the way to check if the solenoid is funky.

 

MM

 

  _____  

From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dennis W
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 3:27 PM
To: A list for Ford Galaxie owners.
Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem

 

Mark, you cannot cross the 2 'little posts' to make the solenoid to work,
connecting the front (closest to the positive post)  'little post' to the
battery post will.

Dick, you can't fix it by 'throwing parts at it'. The initial description
made me think of a slow-to-respond solenoid, but if it has been replaced
that may not be the problem. It might be a positive cable or connection from
the battery, or maybe a bad ground to the solenoid, but I'm still thinking
it's related to the slow-to-respond solenoid.

Dennis in eastexas

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Mark E. Mooney <mark at moonware.net> wrote:


Yes, the two little posts, when crossed will make the solenoid trigger.

If it triggers and the starter spins quickly, the problem is on the "trigger
the solenoid side of things", if it acts the same way, it is on the large
amperage side, either at the solenoid, the starter ground (another likely
culprit) or the connections at the battery.

Do take it out of gear, and don't stand in front of it.... <G>

MM


-----Original Message-----
From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick Barnes

Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:42 AM
To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca

Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem

Mark ,

By "closing the small circuit" do you mean connecting a jumper across the 2
small terminals on the solenoid? Would I do this before attempting to start?

I know this is probably pretty basic, but I don't want to screw anything up
worse than it already is. If that works how would you suggest I correct the
problem--new ignition switch?

Thanks, Dick>

> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400
> From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
> Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
> Message-ID: <006901c914f9$df36c2d0$5cd52ed8 at New>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold. When I

> turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding the key
> on start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. continuing
> to hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn very
> slowly , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine
> starts there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have
> replaced the starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have
> checked cables by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to
> ground and relay to starter. Where do I go next????
> Any help appreciated.
> Rich
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:39:07 -0700
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> To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'" <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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> If you close the small circuit at the solenoid what happens?
>
>
>
> Sounds like the key-to-solenoid circuit is crusty.
>
>
>
> MM
>
>
>
>  _____
>
> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick Barnes
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:06 AM
> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>
>
>
> I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold. When I
> turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding the key
> on
> start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. continuing to
> hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn very
> slowly
> , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine starts
> there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have replaced the
> starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have checked
> cables
> by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground and
> relay
> to starter. Where do I go next????
> Any help appreciated.
> Rich
>
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From dngbat1 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 12 21:05:13 2008
From: dngbat1 at yahoo.com (Deb)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:05:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
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What about the cable from solenoid to starter needing cleaned?  Or ground cable maybe on the block?

Deb


      

From Djgrenoble at aol.com  Fri Sep 12 23:05:09 2008
From: Djgrenoble at aol.com (Djgrenoble at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:05:09 EDT
Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
Message-ID: <cc5.3ff8f98f.35fc79d5@aol.com>

Try turning on your headlights before you try to start the engine next time 
and see if there bright or dim and what happens when you try to start the 
engine. "The battery has a full charge," with a volt/ohmn meter or a load tester? 
You might try a jumper battery in parallel with the car battery and/or alone. 
I've had batteries go bad inside between the plates and you can get some crazy 
symptoms.
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From jsc.obc at juno.com  Fri Sep 12 23:28:40 2008
From: jsc.obc at juno.com (John S Carter)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:28:40 -0500
Subject: [GALAXIE] starter problems
Message-ID: <20080912.212841.2612.4.jsc.obc@juno.com>

 dennis has it right probably.  it can be the circuit from the switch to
the solenoid but is probably a poor ground at the solenoid or the
solenoid..  you can go from big post to big post with jumper cables to
eliminate teh solenoid and if it is ok then look at the small terminals.
one should have an "i" over it. that is the ignition bypass wire to the
points. the other wire is the solenoid engagement wire. go from battery
side of solenoid to that little terminal with an old screwdriver and that
should check the inside connections of solenoids. some replacement
solenoids are imported and haave poor contact washers inside. 
also a voltmeter can be handy. check voltage at the starter side of the
solenoid as it is engaged and see if voltage is lower than 9 volts.  that
will indicate voltage loss somewhere-- poor battery(too small) or poor
connections or poor solenoid connections.  i had a similar problem and it
was simply a loose battery at the solenoid. it looked tight and i only
found it when i accidentally pushed on the cable and it twisted.

good luck.
jc
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> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:50:09 -0500
> From: "Dale" <daleg at wamego.net>
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> To: "A list for Ford Galaxie owners." 
> <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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> Is the connection between the battery posts and cable ends clean and 
> solid? 
> I've been baffled with "battery" problems that were simple conection 
> problems. And 
> mainly right at the battery. Have you removed the cables at the 
> battery, cleaned both 
> posts and cable ends and reconnected? You didn't mention checking 
> this. So just 
> asking. If you just clamped the jumper cables over the installed 
> cable ends on the 
> battery when bypassing the battery cables, then that might be the 
> problem.  
> 
> What is the CCA/CA rating of this battery? Is it "big" enough for 
> your FE engine? Just 
> another thought. I recently replaced a "small" 425CA battery on my 
> work car ( 4cyl ) 
> when I was having starting problems. Battery wasn't too old either, 
> just too small for the 
> job. 
> 
> Dale
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Dick Barnes 
>   To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca 
>   Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 12:06 PM
>   Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> 
> 
>   I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is 
> cold. When I turn the key there is initially no response at all. 
> After holding the key on start for a few seconds the relay will 
> click,then chatter. continuing to hold the switch on start results 
> in the starter begining to turn very slowly , then increase in speed 
> until it turns normally. Once the engine starts there is no further 
> problem until the next cold start. I have replaced the starter motor 
> and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have checked cables by 
> running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground and 
> relay to starter. Where do I go next????
>   Any help appreciated.
>   Rich 
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> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:41:43 -0400
> From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
> Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
> To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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> Mark ,
> 
> By "closing the small circuit" do you mean connecting a jumper 
> across the 2 
> small terminals on the solenoid? Would I do this before attempting 
> to start? 
> I know this is probably pretty basic, but I don't want to screw 
> anything up 
> worse than it already is. If that works how would you suggest I 
> correct the 
> problem--new ignition switch?
> 
> Thanks, Dick>
> 
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400
> > From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> > To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
> > Message-ID: <006901c914f9$df36c2d0$5cd52ed8 at New>
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> > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is 
> cold. When I 
> > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding 
> the key 
> > on start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. 
> continuing 
> > to hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to 
> turn very 
> > slowly , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the 
> engine 
> > starts there is no further problem until the next cold start. I 
> have 
> > replaced the starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, 
> I have 
> > checked cables by running jumper cables from battery to relay, 
> battery to 
> > ground and relay to starter. Where do I go next????
> > Any help appreciated.
> > Rich
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:39:07 -0700
> > From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
> > Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> > To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'" 
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> > If you close the small circuit at the solenoid what happens?
> >
> >
> >
> > Sounds like the key-to-solenoid circuit is crusty.
> >
> >
> >
> > MM
> >
> >
> >
> >  _____
> >
> > From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> > [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick 
> Barnes
> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:06 AM
> > To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is 
> cold. When I
> > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding 
> the key 
> > on
> > start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. 
> continuing to
> > hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn 
> very 
> > slowly
> > , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine 
> starts
> > there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have 
> replaced the
> > starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have 
> checked 
> > cables
> > by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground 
> and 
> > relay
> > to starter. Where do I go next????
> > Any help appreciated.
> > Rich
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:45:27 -0700
> From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
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> 
> Yes, the two little posts, when crossed will make the solenoid 
> trigger.
> 
> If it triggers and the starter spins quickly, the problem is on the 
> "trigger
> the solenoid side of things", if it acts the same way, it is on the 
> large
> amperage side, either at the solenoid, the starter ground (another 
> likely
> culprit) or the connections at the battery.
> 
> Do take it out of gear, and don't stand in front of it.... <G>
> 
> MM
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick 
> Barnes
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:42 AM
> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
> 
> Mark ,
> 
> By "closing the small circuit" do you mean connecting a jumper 
> across the 2 
> small terminals on the solenoid? Would I do this before attempting 
> to start?
> 
> I know this is probably pretty basic, but I don't want to screw 
> anything up 
> worse than it already is. If that works how would you suggest I 
> correct the 
> problem--new ignition switch?
> 
> Thanks, Dick>
> 
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400
> > From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> > To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
> > Message-ID: <006901c914f9$df36c2d0$5cd52ed8 at New>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> >
> > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is 
> cold. When I
> 
> > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding 
> the key 
> > on start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. 
> continuing 
> > to hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to 
> turn very 
> > slowly , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the 
> engine 
> > starts there is no further problem until the next cold start. I 
> have 
> > replaced the starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, 
> I have 
> > checked cables by running jumper cables from battery to relay, 
> battery to 
> > ground and relay to starter. Where do I go next????
> > Any help appreciated.
> > Rich
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:39:07 -0700
> > From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
> > Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> > To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'" 
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> > If you close the small circuit at the solenoid what happens?
> >
> >
> >
> > Sounds like the key-to-solenoid circuit is crusty.
> >
> >
> >
> > MM
> >
> >
> >
> >  _____
> >
> > From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> > [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick 
> Barnes
> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:06 AM
> > To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is 
> cold. When I
> > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding 
> the key 
> > on
> > start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. 
> continuing to
> > hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn 
> very 
> > slowly
> > , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine 
> starts
> > there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have 
> replaced the
> > starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have 
> checked 
> > cables
> > by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground 
> and 
> > relay
> > to starter. Where do I go next????
> > Any help appreciated.
> > Rich
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:02:36 EDT
> From: GALAXIERUS at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
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> After reading the other responses, I must admit, that is a strange  
> sounding 
> problem.
>   To test the solenoid and starter, I pull the small connector that 
> is  
> closest to the battery connection, and jumper across it. This will 
> activate the  
> solenoid and thus the starter, if all is well, there.
>   If this works, you have a wiring problem or bad switch in the  
> dash.
>   The engine will not start when you jump this terminal, unless you  
> have the 
> key turned on.
>   Still, make sure it is not in gear.
>   Take two beers, and call me in the morning!
>  
> Russ Owens
>  
>  
> In a message dated 9/12/2008 1:28:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> senrab at pathwaynet.com writes:
> 
> I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold. 
> When  I 
> turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding 
> the key on  
> start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. 
> continuing to hold  
> the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn very 
> slowly , then 
>  increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine starts 
> there is 
> no  further problem until the next cold start. I have replaced the 
> starter 
> motor  and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have checked cables 
> by running  
> jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground and relay to 
> starter.  
> Where do I go next????
> Any help appreciated.
> Rich  
> 
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:26:48 -0500
> From: "Dennis W" <betnden at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
> To: "A list for Ford Galaxie owners." 
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> Mark, you cannot cross the 2 'little posts' to make the solenoid to 
> work,
> connecting the front (closest to the positive post)  'little post' 
> to the
> battery post will.
> 
> Dick, you can't fix it by 'throwing parts at it'. The initial 
> description
> made me think of a slow-to-respond solenoid, but if it has been 
> replaced
> that may not be the problem. It might be a positive cable or 
> connection from
> the battery, or maybe a bad ground to the solenoid, but I'm still 
> thinking
> it's related to the slow-to-respond solenoid.
> 
> Dennis in eastexas
> 
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Mark E. Mooney <mark at moonware.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Yes, the two little posts, when crossed will make the solenoid 
> trigger.
> >
> > If it triggers and the starter spins quickly, the problem is on 
> the
> > "trigger
> > the solenoid side of things", if it acts the same way, it is on 
> the large
> > amperage side, either at the solenoid, the starter ground (another 
> likely
> > culprit) or the connections at the battery.
> >
> > Do take it out of gear, and don't stand in front of it.... <G>
> >
> > MM
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> > [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick 
> Barnes
> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:42 AM
> > To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
> >
> > Mark ,
> >
> > By "closing the small circuit" do you mean connecting a jumper 
> across the 2
> > small terminals on the solenoid? Would I do this before attempting 
> to
> > start?
> >
> > I know this is probably pretty basic, but I don't want to screw 
> anything up
> > worse than it already is. If that works how would you suggest I 
> correct the
> > problem--new ignition switch?
> >
> > Thanks, Dick>
> >
> > > Message: 4
> > > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400
> > > From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
> > > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> > > To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
> > > Message-ID: <006901c914f9$df36c2d0$5cd52ed8 at New>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> > >
> > > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is 
> cold. When
> > I
> >
> > > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After 
> holding the key
> > > on start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. 
> continuing
> > > to hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to 
> turn very
> > > slowly , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once 
> the engine
> > > starts there is no further problem until the next cold start. I 
> have
> > > replaced the starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully 
> charged, I have
> > > checked cables by running jumper cables from battery to relay, 
> battery to
> > > ground and relay to starter. Where do I go next????
> > > Any help appreciated.
> > > Rich
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> > > Message: 5
> > > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:39:07 -0700
> > > From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> > > To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'" 
> <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
> > > Message-ID: <00e501c914fe$75c9d4e0$0901a8c0 at MooneyGraphic>
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> > >
> > > If you close the small circuit at the solenoid what happens?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sounds like the key-to-solenoid circuit is crusty.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > MM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  _____
> > >
> > > From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> > > [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick 
> Barnes
> > > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:06 AM
> > > To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> > > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is 
> cold. When
> > I
> > > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After 
> holding the key
> > > on
> > > start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. 
> continuing to
> > > hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn 
> very
> > > slowly
> > > , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the 
> engine starts
> > > there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have 
> replaced
> > the
> > > starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have 
> checked
> > > cables
> > > by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to 
> ground and
> > > relay
> > > to starter. Where do I go next????
> > > Any help appreciated.
> > > Rich
> > >
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From betnden at gmail.com  Sat Sep 13 00:20:54 2008
From: betnden at gmail.com (Dennis W)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:20:54 -0500
Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
In-Reply-To: <016301c91528$ce6217a0$0901a8c0@MooneyGraphic>
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One thing I notice constantly is that nobody seems to really understand the
solenoids or are not able to talk about them without confusion. I've been
working with them all my life, longer than they have been around, and they
are still a puzzle for most of the older folks.

The most common problems are bad connections around them and bad contacts
inside them. The other one is a bad ground for the solenoid itself where it
bolts onto the fender. For the first ones heat is a key to the problem and
it's location. If it doesn't work well or is sluggish, check for heat in the
connections at the battery as well. Where the warmth is coming from will
tell a lot about the fix required. One of my 'fixes' is to take the bottom
off and clean and relocate the contacts. People again don't know the
importance of using the nut holding the big posts in place when removing
wires from them. Not doing so will allow the post to move, changing the
contact position inside it, creating more problems. Mine still bite me once
in a while.

Dennis in eastexas

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Mark E. Mooney <mark at moonware.net> wrote:

>  Sorry about the poor tigger information, but triggering the solenoid from
> the solenoid is the way to check if the solenoid is funky.
>
>
>
> MM
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca [mailto:
> galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] *On Behalf Of *Dennis W
> *Sent:* Friday, September 12, 2008 3:27 PM
> *To:* A list for Ford Galaxie owners.
> *Subject:* Re: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>
>
>
> Mark, you cannot cross the 2 'little posts' to make the solenoid to work,
> connecting the front (closest to the positive post)  'little post' to the
> battery post will.
>
> Dick, you can't fix it by 'throwing parts at it'. The initial description
> made me think of a slow-to-respond solenoid, but if it has been replaced
> that may not be the problem. It might be a positive cable or connection from
> the battery, or maybe a bad ground to the solenoid, but I'm still thinking
> it's related to the slow-to-respond solenoid.
>
> Dennis in eastexas
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Mark E. Mooney <mark at moonware.net> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, the two little posts, when crossed will make the solenoid trigger.
>
> If it triggers and the starter spins quickly, the problem is on the
> "trigger
> the solenoid side of things", if it acts the same way, it is on the large
> amperage side, either at the solenoid, the starter ground (another likely
> culprit) or the connections at the battery.
>
> Do take it out of gear, and don't stand in front of it.... <G>
>
> MM
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick Barnes
>
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:42 AM
> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>
> Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>
> Mark ,
>
> By "closing the small circuit" do you mean connecting a jumper across the 2
> small terminals on the solenoid? Would I do this before attempting to
> start?
>
> I know this is probably pretty basic, but I don't want to screw anything up
> worse than it already is. If that works how would you suggest I correct the
> problem--new ignition switch?
>
> Thanks, Dick>
>
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400
> > From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> > To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
> > Message-ID: <006901c914f9$df36c2d0$5cd52ed8 at New>
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> > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold. When
> I
>
> > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding the key
> > on start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. continuing
> > to hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn very
> > slowly , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine
> > starts there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have
> > replaced the starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have
> > checked cables by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to
> > ground and relay to starter. Where do I go next????
> > Any help appreciated.
> > Rich
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> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:39:07 -0700
> > From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
> > Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> > To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'" <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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> > If you close the small circuit at the solenoid what happens?
> >
> >
> >
> > Sounds like the key-to-solenoid circuit is crusty.
> >
> >
> >
> > MM
> >
> >
> >
> >  _____
> >
> > From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> > [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick Barnes
> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:06 AM
> > To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold. When
> I
> > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding the key
> > on
> > start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. continuing to
> > hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn very
> > slowly
> > , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine starts
> > there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have replaced
> the
> > starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have checked
> > cables
> > by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground and
> > relay
> > to starter. Where do I go next????
> > Any help appreciated.
> > Rich
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From wayne553 at maine.rr.com  Mon Sep 15 09:52:46 2008
From: wayne553 at maine.rr.com (Wayne553)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:52:46 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] ike
Message-ID: <000e01c91731$f42b8920$8401a8c0@shop>

Has anyone heard from our Texans,after Ike?
                                                                wayne

From senrab at pathwaynet.com  Mon Sep 15 11:33:19 2008
From: senrab at pathwaynet.com (Dick Barnes)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:33:19 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] More on starting problem
References: <mailman.11653.1221273437.2167.galaxie@lists.twistedpair.ca>
Message-ID: <001601c91740$1c50e860$0bd22ed8@New>

First, thanks to all who have responded with advice, I really appreciate it!

The problem still exists, here's what I've done to try to solve it in 
addition to the new starter and solenoid. All cables have been removed, 
inspected and all connections cleaned including all cable ends, starter 
terminal, engine block where ground connects, battery posts ect. All 
connections are tight. Battery is 675 cca and has been more than powerful 
enough until this came up. I have also connected jumper cables from battery 
to solenoid, solenoid to starter, battery to ground. I have connecter jumper 
cables  from my 2007 silverado to battery and also directly to solenoid and 
to engine block. Triggered the solenoid  with jumper from batt positive to 
solenoid. Nothing has had any effect, problem remains the same. It takes 
time to try each of these because once the starter begins to turn properly 
the problem disappears until it has set for several hours. Here's a new 
wrinkle. This morning I 1st turned on the headlights and they were very dim, 
tried the starter for a few seconds, same thing, 1st nothing, then solenoid 
clicked. At that point I turned off ignition and the headlights slowly 
brightened, hit the starter again and it worked normally! Obviously there is 
a bad connection somewhere in the system that seems to make contact after 
demand is put on it, but where in the h--l is it!

Again thanks to all for your input,

Regards,
Dick




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To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:37 PM
Subject: Galaxie Digest, Vol 66, Issue 4


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>   1. Re: Re Starting Problem (Mark E. Mooney)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:42:14 -0700
> From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
> To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'" <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
> Message-ID: <016301c91528$ce6217a0$0901a8c0 at MooneyGraphic>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Sorry about the poor tigger information, but triggering the solenoid from
> the solenoid is the way to check if the solenoid is funky.
>
>
>
> MM
>
>
>
>  _____
>
> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dennis W
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 3:27 PM
> To: A list for Ford Galaxie owners.
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>
>
>
> Mark, you cannot cross the 2 'little posts' to make the solenoid to work,
> connecting the front (closest to the positive post)  'little post' to the
> battery post will.
>
> Dick, you can't fix it by 'throwing parts at it'. The initial description
> made me think of a slow-to-respond solenoid, but if it has been replaced
> that may not be the problem. It might be a positive cable or connection 
> from
> the battery, or maybe a bad ground to the solenoid, but I'm still thinking
> it's related to the slow-to-respond solenoid.
>
> Dennis in eastexas
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Mark E. Mooney <mark at moonware.net> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, the two little posts, when crossed will make the solenoid trigger.
>
> If it triggers and the starter spins quickly, the problem is on the 
> "trigger
> the solenoid side of things", if it acts the same way, it is on the large
> amperage side, either at the solenoid, the starter ground (another likely
> culprit) or the connections at the battery.
>
> Do take it out of gear, and don't stand in front of it.... <G>
>
> MM
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick Barnes
>
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:42 AM
> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>
> Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>
> Mark ,
>
> By "closing the small circuit" do you mean connecting a jumper across the 
> 2
> small terminals on the solenoid? Would I do this before attempting to 
> start?
>
> I know this is probably pretty basic, but I don't want to screw anything 
> up
> worse than it already is. If that works how would you suggest I correct 
> the
> problem--new ignition switch?
>
> Thanks, Dick>
>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400
>> From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
>> Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
>> Message-ID: <006901c914f9$df36c2d0$5cd52ed8 at New>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>
>> I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold. When 
>> I
>
>> turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding the key
>> on start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. continuing
>> to hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn very
>> slowly , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine
>> starts there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have
>> replaced the starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have
>> checked cables by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to
>> ground and relay to starter. Where do I go next????
>> Any help appreciated.
>> Rich
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>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:39:07 -0700
>> From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
>> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'" <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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>> If you close the small circuit at the solenoid what happens?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds like the key-to-solenoid circuit is crusty.
>>
>>
>>
>> MM
>>
>>
>>
>>  _____
>>
>> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick Barnes
>> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:06 AM
>> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold. When 
>> I
>> turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding the key
>> on
>> start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. continuing to
>> hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn very
>> slowly
>> , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine starts
>> there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have replaced 
>> the
>> starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have checked
>> cables
>> by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground and
>> relay
>> to starter. Where do I go next????
>> Any help appreciated.
>> Rich
>>
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> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:05:13 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Deb <dngbat1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
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> What about the cable from solenoid to starter needing cleaned?  Or ground 
> cable maybe on the block?
>
> Deb
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:05:09 EDT
> From: Djgrenoble at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
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> Try turning on your headlights before you try to start the engine next 
> time
> and see if there bright or dim and what happens when you try to start the
> engine. "The battery has a full charge," with a volt/ohmn meter or a load 
> tester?
> You might try a jumper battery in parallel with the car battery and/or 
> alone.
> I've had batteries go bad inside between the plates and you can get some 
> crazy
> symptoms.
>    Doug
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:28:40 -0500
> From: John S Carter <jsc.obc at juno.com>
> Subject: [GALAXIE] starter problems
> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
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> dennis has it right probably.  it can be the circuit from the switch to
> the solenoid but is probably a poor ground at the solenoid or the
> solenoid..  you can go from big post to big post with jumper cables to
> eliminate teh solenoid and if it is ok then look at the small terminals.
> one should have an "i" over it. that is the ignition bypass wire to the
> points. the other wire is the solenoid engagement wire. go from battery
> side of solenoid to that little terminal with an old screwdriver and that
> should check the inside connections of solenoids. some replacement
> solenoids are imported and haave poor contact washers inside.
> also a voltmeter can be handy. check voltage at the starter side of the
> solenoid as it is engaged and see if voltage is lower than 9 volts.  that
> will indicate voltage loss somewhere-- poor battery(too small) or poor
> connections or poor solenoid connections.  i had a similar problem and it
> was simply a loose battery at the solenoid. it looked tight and i only
> found it when i accidentally pushed on the cable and it twisted.
>
> good luck.
> jc
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:26:51 -0300 galaxie-request at lists.twistedpair.ca
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>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:50:09 -0500
>> From: "Dale" <daleg at wamego.net>
>> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> To: "A list for Ford Galaxie owners."
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>> Is the connection between the battery posts and cable ends clean and
>> solid?
>> I've been baffled with "battery" problems that were simple conection
>> problems. And
>> mainly right at the battery. Have you removed the cables at the
>> battery, cleaned both
>> posts and cable ends and reconnected? You didn't mention checking
>> this. So just
>> asking. If you just clamped the jumper cables over the installed
>> cable ends on the
>> battery when bypassing the battery cables, then that might be the
>> problem.
>>
>> What is the CCA/CA rating of this battery? Is it "big" enough for
>> your FE engine? Just
>> another thought. I recently replaced a "small" 425CA battery on my
>> work car ( 4cyl )
>> when I was having starting problems. Battery wasn't too old either,
>> just too small for the
>> job.
>>
>> Dale
>>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>>   From: Dick Barnes
>>   To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>>   Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 12:06 PM
>>   Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>>
>>
>>   I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is
>> cold. When I turn the key there is initially no response at all.
>> After holding the key on start for a few seconds the relay will
>> click,then chatter. continuing to hold the switch on start results
>> in the starter begining to turn very slowly , then increase in speed
>> until it turns normally. Once the engine starts there is no further
>> problem until the next cold start. I have replaced the starter motor
>> and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have checked cables by
>> running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground and
>> relay to starter. Where do I go next????
>>   Any help appreciated.
>>   Rich
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:41:43 -0400
>> From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
>> Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>> To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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>> Mark ,
>>
>> By "closing the small circuit" do you mean connecting a jumper
>> across the 2
>> small terminals on the solenoid? Would I do this before attempting
>> to start?
>> I know this is probably pretty basic, but I don't want to screw
>> anything up
>> worse than it already is. If that works how would you suggest I
>> correct the
>> problem--new ignition switch?
>>
>> Thanks, Dick>
>>
>> > Message: 4
>> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400
>> > From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
>> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> > To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
>> > Message-ID: <006901c914f9$df36c2d0$5cd52ed8 at New>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>> >
>> > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is
>> cold. When I
>> > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding
>> the key
>> > on start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter.
>> continuing
>> > to hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to
>> turn very
>> > slowly , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the
>> engine
>> > starts there is no further problem until the next cold start. I
>> have
>> > replaced the starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged,
>> I have
>> > checked cables by running jumper cables from battery to relay,
>> battery to
>> > ground and relay to starter. Where do I go next????
>> > Any help appreciated.
>> > Rich
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>> > Message: 5
>> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:39:07 -0700
>> > From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> > To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'"
>> <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
>> > Message-ID: <00e501c914fe$75c9d4e0$0901a8c0 at MooneyGraphic>
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>> >
>> > If you close the small circuit at the solenoid what happens?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sounds like the key-to-solenoid circuit is crusty.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > MM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  _____
>> >
>> > From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick
>> Barnes
>> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:06 AM
>> > To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is
>> cold. When I
>> > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding
>> the key
>> > on
>> > start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter.
>> continuing to
>> > hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn
>> very
>> > slowly
>> > , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine
>> starts
>> > there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have
>> replaced the
>> > starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have
>> checked
>> > cables
>> > by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground
>> and
>> > relay
>> > to starter. Where do I go next????
>> > Any help appreciated.
>> > Rich
>> >
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:45:27 -0700
>> From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
>> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>> To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'"
>> <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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>>
>> Yes, the two little posts, when crossed will make the solenoid
>> trigger.
>>
>> If it triggers and the starter spins quickly, the problem is on the
>> "trigger
>> the solenoid side of things", if it acts the same way, it is on the
>> large
>> amperage side, either at the solenoid, the starter ground (another
>> likely
>> culprit) or the connections at the battery.
>>
>> Do take it out of gear, and don't stand in front of it.... <G>
>>
>> MM
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick
>> Barnes
>> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:42 AM
>> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>>
>> Mark ,
>>
>> By "closing the small circuit" do you mean connecting a jumper
>> across the 2
>> small terminals on the solenoid? Would I do this before attempting
>> to start?
>>
>> I know this is probably pretty basic, but I don't want to screw
>> anything up
>> worse than it already is. If that works how would you suggest I
>> correct the
>> problem--new ignition switch?
>>
>> Thanks, Dick>
>>
>> > Message: 4
>> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400
>> > From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
>> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> > To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
>> > Message-ID: <006901c914f9$df36c2d0$5cd52ed8 at New>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>> >
>> > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is
>> cold. When I
>>
>> > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding
>> the key
>> > on start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter.
>> continuing
>> > to hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to
>> turn very
>> > slowly , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the
>> engine
>> > starts there is no further problem until the next cold start. I
>> have
>> > replaced the starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged,
>> I have
>> > checked cables by running jumper cables from battery to relay,
>> battery to
>> > ground and relay to starter. Where do I go next????
>> > Any help appreciated.
>> > Rich
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>> > Message: 5
>> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:39:07 -0700
>> > From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> > To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'"
>> <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
>> > Message-ID: <00e501c914fe$75c9d4e0$0901a8c0 at MooneyGraphic>
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>> >
>> > If you close the small circuit at the solenoid what happens?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sounds like the key-to-solenoid circuit is crusty.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > MM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  _____
>> >
>> > From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick
>> Barnes
>> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:06 AM
>> > To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is
>> cold. When I
>> > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding
>> the key
>> > on
>> > start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter.
>> continuing to
>> > hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn
>> very
>> > slowly
>> > , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine
>> starts
>> > there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have
>> replaced the
>> > starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have
>> checked
>> > cables
>> > by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground
>> and
>> > relay
>> > to starter. Where do I go next????
>> > Any help appreciated.
>> > Rich
>> >
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:02:36 EDT
>> From: GALAXIERUS at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
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>>
>> After reading the other responses, I must admit, that is a strange
>> sounding
>> problem.
>>   To test the solenoid and starter, I pull the small connector that
>> is
>> closest to the battery connection, and jumper across it. This will
>> activate the
>> solenoid and thus the starter, if all is well, there.
>>   If this works, you have a wiring problem or bad switch in the
>> dash.
>>   The engine will not start when you jump this terminal, unless you
>> have the
>> key turned on.
>>   Still, make sure it is not in gear.
>>   Take two beers, and call me in the morning!
>>
>> Russ Owens
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 9/12/2008 1:28:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> senrab at pathwaynet.com writes:
>>
>> I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold.
>> When  I
>> turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding
>> the key on
>> start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter.
>> continuing to hold
>> the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn very
>> slowly , then
>>  increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine starts
>> there is
>> no  further problem until the next cold start. I have replaced the
>> starter
>> motor  and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have checked cables
>> by running
>> jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground and relay to
>> starter.
>> Where do I go next????
>> Any help appreciated.
>> Rich
>>
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:26:48 -0500
>> From: "Dennis W" <betnden at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>> To: "A list for Ford Galaxie owners."
>> <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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>> Mark, you cannot cross the 2 'little posts' to make the solenoid to
>> work,
>> connecting the front (closest to the positive post)  'little post'
>> to the
>> battery post will.
>>
>> Dick, you can't fix it by 'throwing parts at it'. The initial
>> description
>> made me think of a slow-to-respond solenoid, but if it has been
>> replaced
>> that may not be the problem. It might be a positive cable or
>> connection from
>> the battery, or maybe a bad ground to the solenoid, but I'm still
>> thinking
>> it's related to the slow-to-respond solenoid.
>>
>> Dennis in eastexas
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Mark E. Mooney <mark at moonware.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Yes, the two little posts, when crossed will make the solenoid
>> trigger.
>> >
>> > If it triggers and the starter spins quickly, the problem is on
>> the
>> > "trigger
>> > the solenoid side of things", if it acts the same way, it is on
>> the large
>> > amperage side, either at the solenoid, the starter ground (another
>> likely
>> > culprit) or the connections at the battery.
>> >
>> > Do take it out of gear, and don't stand in front of it.... <G>
>> >
>> > MM
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick
>> Barnes
>> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:42 AM
>> > To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>> >
>> > Mark ,
>> >
>> > By "closing the small circuit" do you mean connecting a jumper
>> across the 2
>> > small terminals on the solenoid? Would I do this before attempting
>> to
>> > start?
>> >
>> > I know this is probably pretty basic, but I don't want to screw
>> anything up
>> > worse than it already is. If that works how would you suggest I
>> correct the
>> > problem--new ignition switch?
>> >
>> > Thanks, Dick>
>> >
>> > > Message: 4
>> > > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400
>> > > From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
>> > > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> > > To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
>> > > Message-ID: <006901c914f9$df36c2d0$5cd52ed8 at New>
>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>> > >
>> > > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is
>> cold. When
>> > I
>> >
>> > > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After
>> holding the key
>> > > on start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter.
>> continuing
>> > > to hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to
>> turn very
>> > > slowly , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once
>> the engine
>> > > starts there is no further problem until the next cold start. I
>> have
>> > > replaced the starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully
>> charged, I have
>> > > checked cables by running jumper cables from battery to relay,
>> battery to
>> > > ground and relay to starter. Where do I go next????
>> > > Any help appreciated.
>> > > Rich
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>> > > Message: 5
>> > > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:39:07 -0700
>> > > From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
>> > > Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> > > To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'"
>> <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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>> > >
>> > > If you close the small circuit at the solenoid what happens?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Sounds like the key-to-solenoid circuit is crusty.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > MM
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >  _____
>> > >
>> > > From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > > [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick
>> Barnes
>> > > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:06 AM
>> > > To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is
>> cold. When
>> > I
>> > > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After
>> holding the key
>> > > on
>> > > start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter.
>> continuing to
>> > > hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn
>> very
>> > > slowly
>> > > , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the
>> engine starts
>> > > there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have
>> replaced
>> > the
>> > > starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have
>> checked
>> > > cables
>> > > by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to
>> ground and
>> > > relay
>> > > to starter. Where do I go next????
>> > > Any help appreciated.
>> > > Rich
>> > >
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From sturand at aol.com  Mon Sep 15 15:13:28 2008
From: sturand at aol.com (Randy Miller)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:13:28 -0500
Subject: [GALAXIE] ike
Message-ID: <cee.42409fef.35ffff99@aol.com>

IM IN HOUSTON
WE ARE WITHOUT POWER
OTHER THAN THAT WE ARE OK
HOW IS DENNIS IN EAST TEXAS?
TAKE CARE
RANDY

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Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:52 AM
To: A list for Ford Galaxie owners. <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
Subject: [GALAXIE] ike

Has anyone heard from our Texans,after Ike?
                                                                wayne
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From terence.turner at lmco.com  Mon Sep 15 15:01:14 2008
From: terence.turner at lmco.com (Turner, Terence)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:01:14 -0700
Subject: [GALAXIE] More on starting problem
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When the dimming situation is in effect, can you do a voltage check,
first across the batteryto establish a baseline, then from the battery
terminal to the ignition circuit, where it connects to the ignition
switch? I believe it's the battery wire, which is heavy gauge yellow
from what I remember. Is it possible that you have resistance where the
solenoid stack up is, the "hot" side where the battery connects? Maybe
the wire that is usually sandwiched between the cable and solenoid,
which is the "battery" wire for the ignition circuit. You shouldn't see
a significant drop in voltage.
						Terry Turner 
						63 Galaxie Conv.
 
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From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick Barnes
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:33 AM
To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
Subject: [GALAXIE] More on starting problem

First, thanks to all who have responded with advice, I really appreciate
it!

The problem still exists, here's what I've done to try to solve it in
addition to the new starter and solenoid. All cables have been removed,
inspected and all connections cleaned including all cable ends, starter
terminal, engine block where ground connects, battery posts ect. All
connections are tight. Battery is 675 cca and has been more than
powerful enough until this came up. I have also connected jumper cables
from battery to solenoid, solenoid to starter, battery to ground. I have
connecter jumper cables  from my 2007 silverado to battery and also
directly to solenoid and to engine block. Triggered the solenoid  with
jumper from batt positive to solenoid. Nothing has had any effect,
problem remains the same. It takes time to try each of these because
once the starter begins to turn properly the problem disappears until it
has set for several hours. Here's a new wrinkle. This morning I 1st
turned on the headlights and they were very dim, tried the starter for a
few seconds, same thing, 1st nothing, then solenoid clicked. At that
point I turned off ignition and the headlights slowly brightened, hit
the starter again and it worked normally! Obviously there is a bad
connection somewhere in the system that seems to make contact after
demand is put on it, but where in the h--l is it!

Again thanks to all for your input,

Regards,
Dick




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Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:37 PM
Subject: Galaxie Digest, Vol 66, Issue 4


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>   1. Re: Re Starting Problem (Mark E. Mooney)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:42:14 -0700
> From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
> To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'" <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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> Sorry about the poor tigger information, but triggering the solenoid
from
> the solenoid is the way to check if the solenoid is funky.
>
>
>
> MM
>
>
>
>  _____
>
> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dennis W
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 3:27 PM
> To: A list for Ford Galaxie owners.
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>
>
>
> Mark, you cannot cross the 2 'little posts' to make the solenoid to
work,
> connecting the front (closest to the positive post)  'little post' to
the
> battery post will.
>
> Dick, you can't fix it by 'throwing parts at it'. The initial
description
> made me think of a slow-to-respond solenoid, but if it has been
replaced
> that may not be the problem. It might be a positive cable or
connection 
> from
> the battery, or maybe a bad ground to the solenoid, but I'm still
thinking
> it's related to the slow-to-respond solenoid.
>
> Dennis in eastexas
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Mark E. Mooney <mark at moonware.net>
wrote:
>
>
> Yes, the two little posts, when crossed will make the solenoid
trigger.
>
> If it triggers and the starter spins quickly, the problem is on the 
> "trigger
> the solenoid side of things", if it acts the same way, it is on the
large
> amperage side, either at the solenoid, the starter ground (another
likely
> culprit) or the connections at the battery.
>
> Do take it out of gear, and don't stand in front of it.... <G>
>
> MM
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick Barnes
>
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:42 AM
> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>
> Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>
> Mark ,
>
> By "closing the small circuit" do you mean connecting a jumper across
the 
> 2
> small terminals on the solenoid? Would I do this before attempting to 
> start?
>
> I know this is probably pretty basic, but I don't want to screw
anything 
> up
> worse than it already is. If that works how would you suggest I
correct 
> the
> problem--new ignition switch?
>
> Thanks, Dick>
>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400
>> From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
>> Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
>> Message-ID: <006901c914f9$df36c2d0$5cd52ed8 at New>
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>> I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold.
When 
>> I
>
>> turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding the
key
>> on start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter.
continuing
>> to hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn
very
>> slowly , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the
engine
>> starts there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have
>> replaced the starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I
have
>> checked cables by running jumper cables from battery to relay,
battery to
>> ground and relay to starter. Where do I go next????
>> Any help appreciated.
>> Rich
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>> From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
>> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'"
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>> If you close the small circuit at the solenoid what happens?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds like the key-to-solenoid circuit is crusty.
>>
>>
>>
>> MM
>>
>>
>>
>>  _____
>>
>> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick
Barnes
>> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:06 AM
>> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold.
When 
>> I
>> turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding the
key
>> on
>> start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. continuing
to
>> hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn very
>> slowly
>> , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine
starts
>> there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have
replaced 
>> the
>> starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have checked
>> cables
>> by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground and
>> relay
>> to starter. Where do I go next????
>> Any help appreciated.
>> Rich
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> From: Deb <dngbat1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
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> What about the cable from solenoid to starter needing cleaned?  Or
ground 
> cable maybe on the block?
>
> Deb
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:05:09 EDT
> From: Djgrenoble at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
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> Try turning on your headlights before you try to start the engine next

> time
> and see if there bright or dim and what happens when you try to start
the
> engine. "The battery has a full charge," with a volt/ohmn meter or a
load 
> tester?
> You might try a jumper battery in parallel with the car battery and/or

> alone.
> I've had batteries go bad inside between the plates and you can get
some 
> crazy
> symptoms.
>    Doug
>
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> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:28:40 -0500
> From: John S Carter <jsc.obc at juno.com>
> Subject: [GALAXIE] starter problems
> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
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> dennis has it right probably.  it can be the circuit from the switch
to
> the solenoid but is probably a poor ground at the solenoid or the
> solenoid..  you can go from big post to big post with jumper cables to
> eliminate teh solenoid and if it is ok then look at the small
terminals.
> one should have an "i" over it. that is the ignition bypass wire to
the
> points. the other wire is the solenoid engagement wire. go from
battery
> side of solenoid to that little terminal with an old screwdriver and
that
> should check the inside connections of solenoids. some replacement
> solenoids are imported and haave poor contact washers inside.
> also a voltmeter can be handy. check voltage at the starter side of
the
> solenoid as it is engaged and see if voltage is lower than 9 volts.
that
> will indicate voltage loss somewhere-- poor battery(too small) or poor
> connections or poor solenoid connections.  i had a similar problem and
it
> was simply a loose battery at the solenoid. it looked tight and i only
> found it when i accidentally pushed on the cable and it twisted.
>
> good luck.
> jc
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:26:51 -0300
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>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:50:09 -0500
>> From: "Dale" <daleg at wamego.net>
>> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> To: "A list for Ford Galaxie owners."
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>> Is the connection between the battery posts and cable ends clean and
>> solid?
>> I've been baffled with "battery" problems that were simple conection
>> problems. And
>> mainly right at the battery. Have you removed the cables at the
>> battery, cleaned both
>> posts and cable ends and reconnected? You didn't mention checking
>> this. So just
>> asking. If you just clamped the jumper cables over the installed
>> cable ends on the
>> battery when bypassing the battery cables, then that might be the
>> problem.
>>
>> What is the CCA/CA rating of this battery? Is it "big" enough for
>> your FE engine? Just
>> another thought. I recently replaced a "small" 425CA battery on my
>> work car ( 4cyl )
>> when I was having starting problems. Battery wasn't too old either,
>> just too small for the
>> job.
>>
>> Dale
>>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>>   From: Dick Barnes
>>   To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>>   Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 12:06 PM
>>   Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>>
>>
>>   I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is
>> cold. When I turn the key there is initially no response at all.
>> After holding the key on start for a few seconds the relay will
>> click,then chatter. continuing to hold the switch on start results
>> in the starter begining to turn very slowly , then increase in speed
>> until it turns normally. Once the engine starts there is no further
>> problem until the next cold start. I have replaced the starter motor
>> and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have checked cables by
>> running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground and
>> relay to starter. Where do I go next????
>>   Any help appreciated.
>>   Rich
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>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:41:43 -0400
>> From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
>> Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>> To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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>>
>> Mark ,
>>
>> By "closing the small circuit" do you mean connecting a jumper
>> across the 2
>> small terminals on the solenoid? Would I do this before attempting
>> to start?
>> I know this is probably pretty basic, but I don't want to screw
>> anything up
>> worse than it already is. If that works how would you suggest I
>> correct the
>> problem--new ignition switch?
>>
>> Thanks, Dick>
>>
>> > Message: 4
>> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400
>> > From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
>> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> > To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
>> > Message-ID: <006901c914f9$df36c2d0$5cd52ed8 at New>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>> >
>> > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is
>> cold. When I
>> > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding
>> the key
>> > on start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter.
>> continuing
>> > to hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to
>> turn very
>> > slowly , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the
>> engine
>> > starts there is no further problem until the next cold start. I
>> have
>> > replaced the starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged,
>> I have
>> > checked cables by running jumper cables from battery to relay,
>> battery to
>> > ground and relay to starter. Where do I go next????
>> > Any help appreciated.
>> > Rich
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>> > Message: 5
>> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:39:07 -0700
>> > From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> > To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'"
>> <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
>> > Message-ID: <00e501c914fe$75c9d4e0$0901a8c0 at MooneyGraphic>
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>> > If you close the small circuit at the solenoid what happens?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sounds like the key-to-solenoid circuit is crusty.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > MM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  _____
>> >
>> > From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick
>> Barnes
>> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:06 AM
>> > To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is
>> cold. When I
>> > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding
>> the key
>> > on
>> > start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter.
>> continuing to
>> > hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn
>> very
>> > slowly
>> > , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine
>> starts
>> > there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have
>> replaced the
>> > starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have
>> checked
>> > cables
>> > by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground
>> and
>> > relay
>> > to starter. Where do I go next????
>> > Any help appreciated.
>> > Rich
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>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:45:27 -0700
>> From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
>> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>> To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'"
>> <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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>>
>> Yes, the two little posts, when crossed will make the solenoid
>> trigger.
>>
>> If it triggers and the starter spins quickly, the problem is on the
>> "trigger
>> the solenoid side of things", if it acts the same way, it is on the
>> large
>> amperage side, either at the solenoid, the starter ground (another
>> likely
>> culprit) or the connections at the battery.
>>
>> Do take it out of gear, and don't stand in front of it.... <G>
>>
>> MM
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick
>> Barnes
>> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:42 AM
>> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>>
>> Mark ,
>>
>> By "closing the small circuit" do you mean connecting a jumper
>> across the 2
>> small terminals on the solenoid? Would I do this before attempting
>> to start?
>>
>> I know this is probably pretty basic, but I don't want to screw
>> anything up
>> worse than it already is. If that works how would you suggest I
>> correct the
>> problem--new ignition switch?
>>
>> Thanks, Dick>
>>
>> > Message: 4
>> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400
>> > From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
>> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> > To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
>> > Message-ID: <006901c914f9$df36c2d0$5cd52ed8 at New>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>> >
>> > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is
>> cold. When I
>>
>> > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding
>> the key
>> > on start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter.
>> continuing
>> > to hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to
>> turn very
>> > slowly , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the
>> engine
>> > starts there is no further problem until the next cold start. I
>> have
>> > replaced the starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged,
>> I have
>> > checked cables by running jumper cables from battery to relay,
>> battery to
>> > ground and relay to starter. Where do I go next????
>> > Any help appreciated.
>> > Rich
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>> > Message: 5
>> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:39:07 -0700
>> > From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> > To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'"
>> <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
>> > Message-ID: <00e501c914fe$75c9d4e0$0901a8c0 at MooneyGraphic>
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>> >
>> > If you close the small circuit at the solenoid what happens?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sounds like the key-to-solenoid circuit is crusty.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > MM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  _____
>> >
>> > From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick
>> Barnes
>> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:06 AM
>> > To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is
>> cold. When I
>> > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding
>> the key
>> > on
>> > start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter.
>> continuing to
>> > hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn
>> very
>> > slowly
>> > , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine
>> starts
>> > there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have
>> replaced the
>> > starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have
>> checked
>> > cables
>> > by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground
>> and
>> > relay
>> > to starter. Where do I go next????
>> > Any help appreciated.
>> > Rich
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>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:02:36 EDT
>> From: GALAXIERUS at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
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>> After reading the other responses, I must admit, that is a strange
>> sounding
>> problem.
>>   To test the solenoid and starter, I pull the small connector that
>> is
>> closest to the battery connection, and jumper across it. This will
>> activate the
>> solenoid and thus the starter, if all is well, there.
>>   If this works, you have a wiring problem or bad switch in the
>> dash.
>>   The engine will not start when you jump this terminal, unless you
>> have the
>> key turned on.
>>   Still, make sure it is not in gear.
>>   Take two beers, and call me in the morning!
>>
>> Russ Owens
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 9/12/2008 1:28:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> senrab at pathwaynet.com writes:
>>
>> I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold.
>> When  I
>> turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding
>> the key on
>> start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter.
>> continuing to hold
>> the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn very
>> slowly , then
>>  increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine starts
>> there is
>> no  further problem until the next cold start. I have replaced the
>> starter
>> motor  and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have checked cables
>> by running
>> jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground and relay to
>> starter.
>> Where do I go next????
>> Any help appreciated.
>> Rich
>>
>>
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>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:26:48 -0500
>> From: "Dennis W" <betnden at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>> To: "A list for Ford Galaxie owners."
>> <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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>> Mark, you cannot cross the 2 'little posts' to make the solenoid to
>> work,
>> connecting the front (closest to the positive post)  'little post'
>> to the
>> battery post will.
>>
>> Dick, you can't fix it by 'throwing parts at it'. The initial
>> description
>> made me think of a slow-to-respond solenoid, but if it has been
>> replaced
>> that may not be the problem. It might be a positive cable or
>> connection from
>> the battery, or maybe a bad ground to the solenoid, but I'm still
>> thinking
>> it's related to the slow-to-respond solenoid.
>>
>> Dennis in eastexas
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Mark E. Mooney <mark at moonware.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Yes, the two little posts, when crossed will make the solenoid
>> trigger.
>> >
>> > If it triggers and the starter spins quickly, the problem is on
>> the
>> > "trigger
>> > the solenoid side of things", if it acts the same way, it is on
>> the large
>> > amperage side, either at the solenoid, the starter ground (another
>> likely
>> > culprit) or the connections at the battery.
>> >
>> > Do take it out of gear, and don't stand in front of it.... <G>
>> >
>> > MM
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick
>> Barnes
>> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:42 AM
>> > To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>> >
>> > Mark ,
>> >
>> > By "closing the small circuit" do you mean connecting a jumper
>> across the 2
>> > small terminals on the solenoid? Would I do this before attempting
>> to
>> > start?
>> >
>> > I know this is probably pretty basic, but I don't want to screw
>> anything up
>> > worse than it already is. If that works how would you suggest I
>> correct the
>> > problem--new ignition switch?
>> >
>> > Thanks, Dick>
>> >
>> > > Message: 4
>> > > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400
>> > > From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
>> > > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> > > To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
>> > > Message-ID: <006901c914f9$df36c2d0$5cd52ed8 at New>
>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>> > >
>> > > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is
>> cold. When
>> > I
>> >
>> > > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After
>> holding the key
>> > > on start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter.
>> continuing
>> > > to hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to
>> turn very
>> > > slowly , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once
>> the engine
>> > > starts there is no further problem until the next cold start. I
>> have
>> > > replaced the starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully
>> charged, I have
>> > > checked cables by running jumper cables from battery to relay,
>> battery to
>> > > ground and relay to starter. Where do I go next????
>> > > Any help appreciated.
>> > > Rich
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>> > > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:39:07 -0700
>> > > From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
>> > > Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> > > To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'"
>> <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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>> > > If you close the small circuit at the solenoid what happens?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Sounds like the key-to-solenoid circuit is crusty.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > MM
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >  _____
>> > >
>> > > From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > > [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick
>> Barnes
>> > > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:06 AM
>> > > To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is
>> cold. When
>> > I
>> > > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After
>> holding the key
>> > > on
>> > > start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter.
>> continuing to
>> > > hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn
>> very
>> > > slowly
>> > > , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the
>> engine starts
>> > > there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have
>> replaced
>> > the
>> > > starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have
>> checked
>> > > cables
>> > > by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to
>> ground and
>> > > relay
>> > > to starter. Where do I go next????
>> > > Any help appreciated.
>> > > Rich
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From betnden at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 17:04:23 2008
From: betnden at gmail.com (Dennis W)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:04:23 -0500
Subject: [GALAXIE] ike
In-Reply-To: <cee.42409fef.35ffff99@aol.com>
References: <cee.42409fef.35ffff99@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8c0c92e10809151304s32cd9a0fq23a274040e337200@mail.gmail.com>

The eye went right over my house! But that was just after it was downgraded
to a tropical storm. I have lots of big Oak and Hickory trees around me so
they deflected the wind. We lost power for 2 hours, from the start of NHRA
qualifications until 2 minutes after the end of it. The only real loss was a
cover on the Comet that shredded in the wind.

When I was a teen living west of Beaumont in 1957, Audrey went through our
area. I remember watching the floor rise and fall as the house shook. Back
then, the only concerns were during the hurricane, and when the wind stopped
we went out and played in the water in the ditch in front of the house.
Later, on a trip to High Island to fish the Galveston Bay, I saw a freighter
sitting off in the distance north of the highway, and it was more than 2
miles from the beach. I remember wondering how it got there.

I hope your conditions get better, Randy, it'll take time but it'll heal.

Dennis in eastexas

On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Randy Miller <sturand at aol.com> wrote:

> IM IN HOUSTON
> WE ARE WITHOUT POWER
> OTHER THAN THAT WE ARE OK
> HOW IS DENNIS IN EAST TEXAS?
> TAKE CARE
> RANDY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne553 <wayne553 at maine.rr.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:52 AM
> To: A list for Ford Galaxie owners. <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
> Subject: [GALAXIE] ike
>
> Has anyone heard from our Texans,after Ike?
>                                                                wayne
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From sturand at aol.com  Mon Sep 15 18:15:45 2008
From: sturand at aol.com (Randy Miller)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:15:45 -0500
Subject: [GALAXIE] ike
Message-ID: <ce5.3ce40383.36002a54@aol.com>

WE HAD THE CENTER OVER OUR HOUSE AT 4AM: I WAS 7 @WHEN AUDRY HIT BEAUMONT WOW TIME FLIES

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W <betnden at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 3:04 PM
To: A list for Ford Galaxie owners. <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] ike

The eye went right over my house! But that was just after it was downgraded to a tropical storm. I have lots of big Oak and Hickory trees around me so they deflected the wind. We lost power for 2 hours, from the start of NHRA qualifications until 2 minutes after the end of it. The only real loss was a cover on the Comet that shredded in the wind.

When I was a teen living west of Beaumont in 1957, Audrey went through our area. I remember watching the floor rise and fall as the house shook. Back then, the only concerns were during the hurricane, and when the wind stopped we went out and played in the water in the ditch in front of the house. Later, on a trip to High Island to fish the Galveston Bay, I saw a freighter sitting off in the distance north of the highway, and it was more than 2 miles from the beach. I remember wondering how it got there.

I hope your conditions get better, Randy, it'll take time but it'll heal.

Dennis in eastexas

On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Randy Miller <sturand at aol.com> wrote:
IM IN HOUSTON
 WE ARE WITHOUT POWER
 OTHER THAN THAT WE ARE OK
 HOW IS DENNIS IN EAST TEXAS?
 TAKE CARE
RANDY
 

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Wayne553 <wayne553 at maine.rr.com>
 Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:52 AM
 To: A list for Ford Galaxie owners. <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
 Subject: [GALAXIE] ike

 Has anyone heard from our Texans,after Ike?
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From senrab at pathwaynet.com  Mon Sep 15 18:59:38 2008
From: senrab at pathwaynet.com (Dick Barnes)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:59:38 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] One more time
References: <mailman.11743.1221505275.2167.galaxie@lists.twistedpair.ca>
Message-ID: <senrab$216.46.210.208$.005701c9177e$5a317a80$d0d22ed8@New>

Back again, I dont have a voltmeter to check voltage as suggested and to be
honest, I wouldn't know how to use one if I did. I do have a shop manual
which outlines various tests, one of which says to bypass the solenoid by
connecting a jumper cable between the large posts on the solenoid. When I do
that nothing happens except sparks and cable gets hot. Does this indicate
anything or am I reading the manual wrong. Also I left out of my lest
posting that I have also cleaned the metal on the fender under the solenoid
to make a good ground.

Thanks again,
Dick

>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:01:14 -0700
> From: "Turner, Terence" <terence.turner at lmco.com>
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] More on starting problem
> To: "A list for Ford Galaxie owners." <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
> Message-ID:
> <F5FF3380E9F41648AF24B80C2AAF19AD086E8FD9 at emss08m03.us.lmco.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> When the dimming situation is in effect, can you do a voltage check,
> first across the batteryto establish a baseline, then from the battery
> terminal to the ignition circuit, where it connects to the ignition
> switch? I believe it's the battery wire, which is heavy gauge yellow
> from what I remember. Is it possible that you have resistance where the
> solenoid stack up is, the "hot" side where the battery connects? Maybe
> the wire that is usually sandwiched between the cable and solenoid,
> which is the "battery" wire for the ignition circuit. You shouldn't see
> a significant drop in voltage.
> Terry Turner
> 63 Galaxie Conv.
>
> -----Original Message----->>> By " 


From terence.turner at lmco.com  Mon Sep 15 19:16:37 2008
From: terence.turner at lmco.com (Turner, Terence)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:16:37 -0700
Subject: [GALAXIE] One more time
In-Reply-To: <senrab$216.46.210.208$.005701c9177e$5a317a80$d0d22ed8@New>
References: <mailman.11743.1221505275.2167.galaxie@lists.twistedpair.ca>
	<senrab$216.46.210.208$.005701c9177e$5a317a80$d0d22ed8@New>
Message-ID: <F5FF3380E9F41648AF24B80C2AAF19AD086E8FDA@emss08m03.us.lmco.com>

You know, it sounds to me like the starter is causing the extra
resistance,  but not sure. I would be tempted to replace the starter if
that is the case.  

				Terry Turner
> 				63 Galaxie Conv.

-----Original Message-----
From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick Barnes
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 3:00 PM
To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
Subject: [GALAXIE] One more time

Back again, I dont have a voltmeter to check voltage as suggested and to
be honest, I wouldn't know how to use one if I did. I do have a shop
manual which outlines various tests, one of which says to bypass the
solenoid by connecting a jumper cable between the large posts on the
solenoid. When I do that nothing happens except sparks and cable gets
hot. Does this indicate anything or am I reading the manual wrong. Also
I left out of my lest posting that I have also cleaned the metal on the
fender under the solenoid to make a good ground.

Thanks again,
Dick

>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:01:14 -0700
> From: "Turner, Terence" <terence.turner at lmco.com>
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] More on starting problem
> To: "A list for Ford Galaxie owners." <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
> Message-ID:
> <F5FF3380E9F41648AF24B80C2AAF19AD086E8FD9 at emss08m03.us.lmco.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> When the dimming situation is in effect, can you do a voltage check, 
> first across the batteryto establish a baseline, then from the battery

> terminal to the ignition circuit, where it connects to the ignition 
> switch? I believe it's the battery wire, which is heavy gauge yellow 
> from what I remember. Is it possible that you have resistance where 
> the solenoid stack up is, the "hot" side where the battery connects? 
> Maybe the wire that is usually sandwiched between the cable and 
> solenoid, which is the "battery" wire for the ignition circuit. You 
> shouldn't see a significant drop in voltage.
> Terry Turner
> 63 Galaxie Conv.
>
> -----Original Message----->>> By " 

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From galaxierus at aol.com  Mon Sep 15 21:47:40 2008
From: galaxierus at aol.com (galaxierus at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:47:40 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] One more time
In-Reply-To: <senrab$216.46.210.208$.005701c9177e$5a317a80$d0d22ed8@New>
References: <mailman.11743.1221505275.2167.galaxie@lists.twistedpair.ca>
	<senrab$216.46.210.208$.005701c9177e$5a317a80$d0d22ed8@New>
Message-ID: <8CAE5ACF5010C50-85C-2ED8@FWM-M01.sysops.aol.com>

? YOu need to get a volt meter. They are easy to use. Black to negative, red to positive, using the DC volt scale.
?GET ONE!!
? As far as sparks, you should NOT have sparks. Sparks indicates a loose or dirty connection.
? Wherever those sparks are, is the first place to look for clean and tight connections.


Russ Owens
65-66 Galaxie Collector
Milwaukee WI


-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Barnes <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
Sent: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 4:59 pm
Subject: [GALAXIE] One more time



Back again, I dont have a voltmeter to check voltage as suggested and to be
honest, I wouldn't know how to use one if I did. I do have a shop manual
which outlines various tests, one of which says to bypass the solenoid by
connecting a jumper cable between the large posts on the solenoid. When I do
that nothing happens except sparks and cable gets hot. Does this indicate
anything or am I reading the manual wrong. Also I left out of my lest
posting that I have also cleaned the metal on the fender under the solenoid
to make a good ground.

Thanks again,
Dick

>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:01:14 -0700
> From: "Turner, Terence" <terence.turner at lmco.com>
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] More on starting problem
> To: "A list for Ford Galaxie owners." <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
> Message-ID:
> <F5FF3380E9F41648AF24B80C2AAF19AD086E8FD9 at emss08m03.us.lmco.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> When the dimming situation is in effect, can you do a voltage check,
> first across the batteryto establish a baseline, then from the battery
> terminal to the ignition circuit, where it connects to the ignition
> switch? I believe it's the battery wire, which is heavy gauge yellow
> from what I remember. Is it possible that you have resistance where the
> solenoid stack up is, the "hot" side where the battery connects? Maybe
> the wire that is usually sandwiched between the cable and solenoid,
> which is the "battery" wire for the ignition circuit. You shouldn't see
> a significant drop in voltage.
> Terry Turner
> 63 Galaxie Conv.
>
> -----Original Message----->>> By " 

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From betnden at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 23:36:52 2008
From: betnden at gmail.com (Dennis W)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:36:52 -0500
Subject: [GALAXIE] One more time
In-Reply-To: <8CAE5ACF5010C50-85C-2ED8@FWM-M01.sysops.aol.com>
References: <mailman.11743.1221505275.2167.galaxie@lists.twistedpair.ca>
	<senrab$216.46.210.208$.005701c9177e$5a317a80$d0d22ed8@New>
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Message-ID: <8c0c92e10809151936y12bc451bl9952de0048d2893c@mail.gmail.com>

I think it would be easier to replace the battery with a known good one.
I'll bet that fixes it.

Dennis in eastexas

On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 7:47 PM, <galaxierus at aol.com> wrote:

>   YOu need to get a volt meter. They are easy to use. Black to negative,
> red to positive, using the DC volt scale.
>  GET ONE!!
>   As far as sparks, you should NOT have sparks. Sparks indicates a loose or
> dirty connection.
>   Wherever those sparks are, is the first place to look for clean and tight
> connections.
>
> Russ Owens
> 65-66 Galaxie Collector
> Milwaukee WI
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dick Barnes <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> Sent: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 4:59 pm
> Subject: [GALAXIE] One more time
>
> Back again, I dont have a voltmeter to check voltage as suggested and to be
> honest, I wouldn't know how to use one if I did. I do have a shop manual
> which outlines various tests, one of which says to bypass the solenoid by
> connecting a jumper cable between the large posts on the solenoid. When I do
> that nothing happens except sparks and cable gets hot. Does this indicate
> anything or am I reading the manual wrong. Also I left out of my lest
> posting that I have also cleaned the metal on the fender under the solenoid
> to make a good ground.
>
> Thanks again,
> Dick
>
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:01:14 -0700
> > From: "Turner, Terence" <terence.turner at lmco.com>
> > Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] More on starting problem
> > To: "A list for Ford Galaxie owners." <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
> > Message-ID:
> > <F5FF3380E9F41648AF24B80C2AAF19AD086E8FD9 at emss08m03.us.lmco.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > When the dimming situation is in effect, can you do a voltage check,
> > first across the batteryto establish a baseline, then from the battery
> > terminal to the ignition circuit, where it connects to the ignition
> > switch? I believe it's the battery wire, which is heavy gauge yellow
> > from what I remember. Is it possible that you have resistance where the
> > solenoid stack up is, the "hot" side where the battery connects? Maybe
> > the wire that is usually sandwiched between the cable and solenoid,
> > which is the "battery" wire for the ignition circuit. You shouldn't see
> > a significant drop in voltage.
> > Terry Turner
> > 63 Galaxie Conv.
> >
> > -----Original Message----->>> By "
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From Djgrenoble at aol.com  Tue Sep 16 01:02:11 2008
From: Djgrenoble at aol.com (Djgrenoble at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:02:11 EDT
Subject: [GALAXIE] One more time
Message-ID: <d10.362dd9a7.360089c3@aol.com>

Dick,
    The fact that your headlights are dim first thing indicates that you have 
low voltage from your battery before you try to start. Disconnect your Neg 
cable at the battery, take your jumper cables from your silverado and connect 
them to your car cables. Try your headlights, if dim one of your cables is bad 
inside. If dim, try connecting the black jumper cable to the engine or frame/ 
body and look at your headlights.
    Doug Grenoble



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From mika at aarnio.com  Tue Sep 16 04:52:45 2008
From: mika at aarnio.com (aarnio mika / mainoskeskus.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:52:45 +0300
Subject: [GALAXIE] ike
In-Reply-To: <ce5.3ce40383.36002a54@aol.com>
References: <ce5.3ce40383.36002a54@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7D4EAF71CF4D4B37BBB455B72541BC3B@quad>

Randy, Did you take any pictures ? 

Mika

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Randy Miller 
  To: A list for Ford Galaxie owners. 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 12:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] ike


  WE HAD THE CENTER OVER OUR HOUSE AT 4AM: I WAS 7 @WHEN AUDRY HIT BEAUMONT WOW TIME FLIES


------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  From: Dennis W <betnden at gmail.com>
  Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 3:04 PM
  To: A list for Ford Galaxie owners. <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
  Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] ike


  The eye went right over my house! But that was just after it was downgraded to a tropical storm. I have lots of big Oak and Hickory trees around me so they deflected the wind. We lost power for 2 hours, from the start of NHRA qualifications until 2 minutes after the end of it. The only real loss was a cover on the Comet that shredded in the wind.

  When I was a teen living west of Beaumont in 1957, Audrey went through our area. I remember watching the floor rise and fall as the house shook. Back then, the only concerns were during the hurricane, and when the wind stopped we went out and played in the water in the ditch in front of the house. Later, on a trip to High Island to fish the Galveston Bay, I saw a freighter sitting off in the distance north of the highway, and it was more than 2 miles from the beach. I remember wondering how it got there.

  I hope your conditions get better, Randy, it'll take time but it'll heal.

  Dennis in eastexas


  On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Randy Miller <sturand at aol.com> wrote:

    IM IN HOUSTON
    WE ARE WITHOUT POWER
    OTHER THAN THAT WE ARE OK
    HOW IS DENNIS IN EAST TEXAS?
    TAKE CARE
    RANDY


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Wayne553 <wayne553 at maine.rr.com>
    Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:52 AM
    To: A list for Ford Galaxie owners. <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
    Subject: [GALAXIE] ike

    Has anyone heard from our Texans,after Ike?
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From Djgrenoble at aol.com  Tue Sep 16 09:36:26 2008
From: Djgrenoble at aol.com (Djgrenoble at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:36:26 EDT
Subject: [GALAXIE] One more time
Message-ID: <d66.2ef9a50a.3601024a@aol.com>

Dick,
    Sorry I forgot to finish my train of thought last night while watching 
the football game. The dim lights and the fact that after you get the car 
started it runs / starts ok make me believe its the battery. Try disconnecting the 
truck battery and jumping it with your cables and turn on its headlights to see 
if they are dim. Then try starting it with the car battery. If its sluggish 
its the car battery thetas bad!
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From STURAND at aol.com  Tue Sep 16 13:59:00 2008
From: STURAND at aol.com (STURAND at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:59:00 EDT
Subject: [GALAXIE] ike
Message-ID: <cc7.3ec8b293.36013fd4@aol.com>

Hey Mika,
 
My wife has some and will send you if you want to see. It was  mostly 100 mph 
wind and some rain. Where we live there are a lot of trees so  they are blown 
over causing the overhead power lines to be out of service until  the cutting 
crews get in. Over all it wasnt too bad. Not very many people killed  
thankfully, but 4 million people without power on Saturday. They are working  though 
the power issues a couple hundred thousand a day. It could have been a  lot 
worse. Who ever said that God doesnt answer prayers. Yall take  care~
 


Regards,
S. Randy Miller
SRM Engineers and  Constructors Inc.
_www.srmco.com_ (http://www.srmco.com/) 
281-546-8743  

 
In a message dated 9/16/2008 2:53:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
mika at aarnio.com writes:

Randy, Did you take any pictures ? 
 
Mika
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  _Randy  Miller_ (mailto:sturand at aol.com)  
To: _A list for Ford Galaxie  owners._ (mailto:galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca)  
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 12:15  AM
Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] ike


WE HAD THE  CENTER OVER OUR HOUSE AT 4AM: I WAS 7 @WHEN AUDRY HIT BEAUMONT 
WOW TIME  FLIES

 
____________________________________
From:  Dennis W  <_betnden at gmail.com_ (mailto:betnden at gmail.com) >
Sent:  Monday,  September 15, 2008 3:04 PM
To:  A list for  Ford Galaxie owners. <_galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca_ 
(mailto:galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca) >
Subject:  Re:  [GALAXIE] ike

The eye went right over my house! But that was just after it  was downgraded 
to a tropical storm. I have lots of big Oak and Hickory trees  around me so 
they deflected the wind. We lost power for 2 hours, from the  start of NHRA 
qualifications until 2 minutes after the end of it. The only  real loss was a 
cover on the Comet that shredded in the wind.

When I  was a teen living west of Beaumont in 1957, Audrey went through our 
area. I  remember watching the floor rise and fall as the house shook. Back 
then, the  only concerns were during the hurricane, and when the wind stopped we 
went  out and played in the water in the ditch in front of the house. Later, 
on a  trip to High Island to fish the Galveston Bay, I saw a freighter sitting 
off  in the distance north of the highway, and it was more than 2 miles from 
the  beach. I remember wondering how it got there.

I hope your conditions  get better, Randy, it'll take time but it'll heal.

Dennis in  eastexas

On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Randy Miller <_sturand at aol.com_ 
(mailto:sturand at aol.com) > wrote:

IM  IN HOUSTON
WE ARE WITHOUT POWER
OTHER THAN THAT WE ARE OK
HOW IS  DENNIS IN EAST TEXAS?
TAKE CARE
RANDY



-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne553 <_wayne553 at maine.rr.com_ (mailto:wayne553 at maine.rr.com) >
Sent:  Monday, September 15, 2008 7:52 AM
To: A list for Ford Galaxie owners.  <_galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca_ 
(mailto:galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca) >
Subject:  [GALAXIE] ike

Has anyone heard from our Texans,after Ike?
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From superchris74 at comcast.net  Tue Sep 16 17:31:25 2008
From: superchris74 at comcast.net (Chris)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:31:25 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE]  65 Bolt Torque Specs
References: <282219.14067.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <29F8D5D4A8A044B6B26D99230E294806@PHLJOCK>

I am looking for all the bolt torque specs for a front end rebuild for a 65. 
I am ordering a shop manual off eBay soon, but I need to finish up tomorrow.

Anyone have a spec sheet they can email me please?

Thanks for the help, Chris 


From chris at autoexportcanada.com  Thu Sep 18 15:27:36 2008
From: chris at autoexportcanada.com (Chris Bernard)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:27:36 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] 67 Vent window.
Message-ID: <B45150D2037241228D8899CF52E40C48@ChrisBernard>

Has anyone got a spare drivers vent window assembly they want to part with? I need one for a wagon. I think its the same one as a 4 door non hard top car. The rubber seal is shot on mine so bad that I can't even open it anymore.

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From galaxierus at aol.com  Thu Sep 18 16:07:10 2008
From: galaxierus at aol.com (galaxierus at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:07:10 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] 67 Vent window.
In-Reply-To: <B45150D2037241228D8899CF52E40C48@ChrisBernard>
References: <B45150D2037241228D8899CF52E40C48@ChrisBernard>
Message-ID: <8CAE7D8E261398E-C4C-3082@webmail-nf10.sim.aol.com>


? You are correct, the wagon is the same as the sedan.

I might have a decent one at home, which I will not be at until Saturday AM.

65-68 are the same. The only difference might be the difference in tint:

Clear, light green or darker green, if a factory AC car.

? Most are clear or light green.



Russ Owens
65-66 Galaxie Collector
Milwaukee WI


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Bernard <chris at autoexportcanada.com>
To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
Sent: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 1:27 pm
Subject: [GALAXIE] 67 Vent window.



Has anyone got a spare drivers vent window assembly they want?to part with? I need one for a wagon. I think its the same one as a 4 door?non hard top car. The rubber seal is shot on mine so bad that I can't even open it anymore.

?

Chris.



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From nancybarnes at juno.com  Thu Sep 18 16:23:02 2008
From: nancybarnes at juno.com (Nancy E. Barnes)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:23:02 GMT
Subject: [GALAXIE] 67 Vent window.
Message-ID: <20080918.122302.23725.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>

Hi Russ and Galaxie lovers,
We are searching for a 65 Galaxie 500 convertible passenger side wind wing window-no air conditioning.   We have replaced all the rubber, but still need a wing vent seal which seems to be totally unavailable.  That along with the tool and ability to install the seal.
So...we are thinking of just replacing the vent window completely with a complete vent window with the seal already in tact.     Or, we are open to suggestions!
Thanks for all the information we read from other owners, we are ready to post a picture of our Gal who goes by the name of "Peggy Sue".
Russ, we are wowed by all your knowledge of Galaxies and Ford products too.


Charles P.("Red") Baker & Nancy E. Barnes
1897 La Cell Avenue, Tulare, CA 93274-0963
Charlie's cell # 559-679-5832
Fax: 559-688-3488 after the beep!
-- galaxierus at aol.com wrote:

  You are correct, the wagon is the same as the sedan.I might have a decent one at home, which I will not be at until Saturday AM.65-68 are the same. The only difference might be the difference in tint:Clear, light green or darker green, if a factory AC car.  Most are clear or light green.

Russ Owens
65-66 Galaxie Collector
Milwaukee WI

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Bernard <chris at autoexportcanada.com>
To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
Sent: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 1:27 pm
Subject: [GALAXIE] 67 Vent window.

Has anyone got a spare drivers vent window assembly they want to part with? I need one for a wagon. I think its the same one as a 4 door non hard top car. The rubber seal is shot on mine so bad that I can't even open it anymore. Chris._______________________________________________Galaxie mailing listGalaxie at lists.twistedpair.cahttp://lists.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo.cgi/galaxieFind phone numbers fast with the New AOL Yellow Pages! 
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From galaxierus at aol.com  Thu Sep 18 17:27:15 2008
From: galaxierus at aol.com (galaxierus at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:27:15 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] 67 Vent window.
In-Reply-To: <20080918.122302.23725.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20080918.122302.23725.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <8CAE7E4122F96CD-C4C-33CD@webmail-nf10.sim.aol.com>


? Well, Wowee-Gee, sometimes I scare myself.

My favorite bumper sticker reads:

"I know everything, I just can't remember most of it."

? Anyway, I also MAY have a right side hardtop/convertible right side vent window. These are usually the whole piece with the channel for the main glass. Many have the spot weld for the top pivot broken. Finding a good one isn't always easy, but we will see.



Russ Owens
65-66 Galaxie Collector
Milwaukee WI


-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy E. Barnes <nancybarnes at juno.com>
To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
Sent: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 2:23 pm
Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] 67 Vent window.



Hi Russ and Galaxie lovers,

We are searching for a 65 Galaxie 500 convertible passenger side wind wing window-no air conditioning.?? We have replaced all the rubber, but still need a wing vent?seal which seems to be totally unavailable.? That along with the tool and ability to install the seal.

So...we are thinking of just replacing the vent window completely with a complete vent window with the seal already in tact.???? Or, we are open to suggestions!

Thanks for all the information we read from other owners, we are ready to post a picture of our Gal who goes by the name of "Peggy Sue".

Russ, we are wowed by all your knowledge of Galaxies and Ford products too.


Charles P.("Red") Baker & Nancy E. Barnes
1897 La Cell Avenue, Tulare, CA 93274-0963
Charlie's cell # 559-679-5832
Fax: 559-688-3488 after the beep!

-- galaxierus at aol.com wrote:


? You are correct, the wagon is the same as the sedan.

I might have a decent one at home, which I will not be at until Saturday AM.

65-68 are the same. The only difference might be the difference in tint:

Clear, light green or darker green, if a factory AC car.

? Most are clear or light green.



Russ Owens
65-66 Galaxie Collector
Milwaukee WI


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Bernard <chris at autoexportcanada.com>
To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
Sent: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 1:27 pm
Subject: [GALAXIE] 67 Vent window.



Has anyone got a spare drivers vent window assembly they want?to part with? I need one for a wagon. I think its the same one as a 4 door?non hard top car. The rubber seal is shot on mine so bad that I can't even open it anymore.

?

Chris.



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From fmperna2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 18 19:25:12 2008
From: fmperna2000 at yahoo.com (Frank Perna)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:25:12 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] 63 convertible & 66 convertible parts
In-Reply-To: <8CAE7E4122F96CD-C4C-33CD@webmail-nf10.sim.aol.com>
References: <20080918.122302.23725.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>
	<8CAE7E4122F96CD-C4C-33CD@webmail-nf10.sim.aol.com>
Message-ID: <F6B1A0C337A84CD6B2D052D39286BC0F@franklaptop>

I have extra parts for both cars.

Both cars are for sale also

The 66 have - steering column, hood-dash -door and glass complete plus boxes
of parts left over from a frame off resto

63 parts not as many but call and we'll see if we got what you need.

Call Frank @ (860)567-9393

If you are interested in either car call first and I'll e-mail you pics.

fmperna2000 at yahoo.com

Thanks

Frank

 

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From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of
galaxierus at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 4:27 PM
To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] 67 Vent window.

 

  Well, Wowee-Gee, sometimes I scare myself.

My favorite bumper sticker reads:

"I know everything, I just can't remember most of it."

  Anyway, I also MAY have a right side hardtop/convertible right side vent
window. These are usually the whole piece with the channel for the main
glass. Many have the spot weld for the top pivot broken. Finding a good one
isn't always easy, but we will see.

Russ Owens
65-66 Galaxie Collector
Milwaukee WI



-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy E. Barnes <nancybarnes at juno.com>
To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
Sent: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 2:23 pm
Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] 67 Vent window.

Hi Russ and Galaxie lovers,

We are searching for a 65 Galaxie 500 convertible passenger side wind wing
window-no air conditioning.   We have replaced all the rubber, but still
need a wing vent seal which seems to be totally unavailable.  That along
with the tool and ability to install the seal.

So...we are thinking of just replacing the vent window completely with a
complete vent window with the seal already in tact.     Or, we are open to
suggestions!

Thanks for all the information we read from other owners, we are ready to
post a picture of our Gal who goes by the name of "Peggy Sue".

Russ, we are wowed by all your knowledge of Galaxies and Ford products too.


Charles P.("Red") Baker & Nancy E. Barnes
1897 La Cell Avenue, Tulare, CA 93274-0963
Charlie's cell # 559-679-5832
Fax: 559-688-3488 after the beep!

-- galaxierus at aol.com wrote:

  You are correct, the wagon is the same as the sedan.

I might have a decent one at home, which I will not be at until Saturday AM.

65-68 are the same. The only difference might be the difference in tint:

Clear, light green or darker green, if a factory AC car.

  Most are clear or light green.

Russ Owens
65-66 Galaxie Collector
Milwaukee WI



-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Bernard <chris at autoexportcanada.com>
To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
Sent: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 1:27 pm
Subject: [GALAXIE] 67 Vent window.

Has anyone got a spare drivers vent window assembly they want to part with?
I need one for a wagon. I think its the same one as a 4 door non hard top
car. The rubber seal is shot on mine so bad that I can't even open it
anymore.

 

Chris.

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From larsofvt at aol.com  Thu Sep 18 20:07:57 2008
From: larsofvt at aol.com (larsofvt at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:07:57 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] 67 Vent window.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11882.1221778515.2167.galaxie@lists.twistedpair.ca>
References: <mailman.11882.1221778515.2167.galaxie@lists.twistedpair.ca>
Message-ID: <8CAE7FA86173AE9-106C-C6@mblk-d42.sysops.aol.com>

Nancy,

Did you check the Galaxie Gazette? I recall an ad by Dennis Carpenter 
Inc where the reproduction vent window rubber is finally available.


Lars




Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:23:02 GMT
From: "Nancy E. Barnes" <nancybarnes at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] 67 Vent window.
To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
Message-ID: <20080918.122302.23725.1 at webmail03.vgs.untd.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"

Hi Russ and Galaxie lovers,
We are searching for a 65 Galaxie 500 convertible passenger side wind 
wing
window-no air conditioning.   We have replaced all the rubber, but 
still need a
wing vent seal which seems to be totally unavailable.  That along with 
the tool
and ability to install the seal.
So...we are thinking of just replacing the vent window completely with 
a
complete vent window with the seal already in tact.     Or, we are open 
to
suggestions!
Thanks for all the information we read from other owners, we are ready 
to post a
picture of our Gal who goes by the name of "Peggy Sue".
Russ, we are wowed by all your knowledge of Galaxies and Ford products 
too.


Charles P.("Red") Baker & Nancy E. Barnes
1897 La Cell Avenue, Tulare, CA 93274-0963
Charlie's cell # 559-679-5832
Fax: 559-688-3488 after the beep!

From mercurycat21 at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 18 22:57:23 2008
From: mercurycat21 at hotmail.com (kenneth gucker)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:57:23 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] 67 Vent window.
In-Reply-To: <8CAE7FA86173AE9-106C-C6@mblk-d42.sysops.aol.com>
References: <mailman.11882.1221778515.2167.galaxie@lists.twistedpair.ca>
	<8CAE7FA86173AE9-106C-C6@mblk-d42.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY128-W1375A5C37ED51E55B69264DD4E0@phx.gbl>


HI All, I should have a few at my shop. I believe they were all from non A/C 66's.
Let me know if you are interested at mercurycat21 at hotmail.com
I am in CT.
Ken> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:07:57 -0400> From: larsofvt at aol.com> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] 67 Vent window.> > Nancy,> > Did you check the Galaxie Gazette? I recall an ad by Dennis Carpenter > Inc where the reproduction vent window rubber is finally available.> > > Lars> > > > > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:23:02 GMT> From: "Nancy E. Barnes" <nancybarnes at juno.com>> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] 67 Vent window.> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca> Message-ID: <20080918.122302.23725.1 at webmail03.vgs.untd.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"> > Hi Russ and Galaxie lovers,> We are searching for a 65 Galaxie 500 convertible passenger side wind > wing> window-no air conditioning. We have replaced all the rubber, but > still need a> wing vent seal which seems to be totally unavailable. That along with > the tool> and ability to install the seal.> So...we are thinking of just replacing the vent window completely with > a> complete vent window with the seal already in tact. Or, we are open > to> suggestions!> Thanks for all the information we read from other owners, we are ready > to post a> picture of our Gal who goes by the name of "Peggy Sue".> Russ, we are wowed by all your knowledge of Galaxies and Ford products > too.> > > Charles P.("Red") Baker & Nancy E. Barnes> 1897 La Cell Avenue, Tulare, CA 93274-0963> Charlie's cell # 559-679-5832> Fax: 559-688-3488 after the beep!> _______________________________________________> Galaxie mailing list> Galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca> http://lists.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo.cgi/galaxie
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From nancybarnes at juno.com  Fri Sep 19 15:50:41 2008
From: nancybarnes at juno.com (Nancy E. Barnes)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:50:41 GMT
Subject: [GALAXIE]  65 Vent window seal.
Message-ID: <20080919.115041.2545.1@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>

Hi, and No...hadn't seen the ad and will check there today.  The problem is not only getting the seal but buy/rent the tool to install it.  That is when we thought about just finding a vent window with seal in tact...bypassing the tool and difficulty factor. Dennis wrote that he may have one too (the whole window).
We appreciate any/all suggestions.  This wind wing vent seal is all that is left to do after the new carpet is installed.
Thanks!
Nancy


Charles P.("Red") Baker & Nancy E. Barnes


-- larsofvt at aol.com wrote:
Nancy,

Did you check the Galaxie Gazette? I recall an ad by Dennis Carpenter 
Inc where the reproduction vent window rubber is finally available.


Lars




Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:23:02 GMT
From: "Nancy E. Barnes" <nancybarnes at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] 67 Vent window.
To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
Message-ID: <20080918.122302.23725.1 at webmail03.vgs.untd.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"

Hi Russ and Galaxie lovers,
We are searching for a 65 Galaxie 500 convertible passenger side wind 
wing
window-no air conditioning.   We have replaced all the rubber, but 
still need a
wing vent seal which seems to be totally unavailable.  That along with 
the tool
and ability to install the seal.
So...we are thinking of just replacing the vent window completely with 
a
complete vent window with the seal already in tact.     Or, we are open 
to
suggestions!
Thanks for all the information we read from other owners, we are ready 
to post a
picture of our Gal who goes by the name of "Peggy Sue".
Russ, we are wowed by all your knowledge of Galaxies and Ford products 
too.


Charles P.("Red") Baker & Nancy E. Barnes
1897 La Cell Avenue, Tulare, CA 93274-0963
Charlie's cell # <?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = SKYPE /> 559-679-5832 
Fax: 559-688-3488 after the beep!
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From wstruntz at chartermi.net  Fri Sep 19 22:45:10 2008
From: wstruntz at chartermi.net (Wally Struntz)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:45:10 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] intake
Message-ID: <50A497C6F23B463E808FC2ED8921B1C2@wally>

I have a Alumunum intake off a FE  casting number is C1AE9424 C  I was wondering what motor it is off of 
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From wstruntz at chartermi.net  Fri Sep 19 22:39:44 2008
From: wstruntz at chartermi.net (Wally Struntz)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:39:44 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] e mail
Message-ID: <00E24EF073DD4DA8AB36F2D5D6F5D493@wally>

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From routerman25 at cox.net  Sat Sep 20 10:30:04 2008
From: routerman25 at cox.net (routerman25 at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 9:30:04 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] i want out
Message-ID: <20080920093004.LXXKN.310238.imail@eastrmwml29>

i have sold my galaxie i could not afford to keep her up so i sold her and
let someone else enjoy her i am having a hard time unsubscribing the
e mails realy jam up my mail box i would like them to stop
         thanks  bobby

From Wiattdj1 at aol.com  Sat Sep 20 11:32:11 2008
From: Wiattdj1 at aol.com (Wiattdj1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:32:11 EDT
Subject: [GALAXIE] I Want Off Mailing List
Message-ID: <c3c.3f6da480.3606636b@aol.com>

I no longer want to receive e-mails from  Galaxie



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From peterlindgren at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 12:11:12 2008
From: peterlindgren at gmail.com (Peter Lindgren)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:11:12 -0500
Subject: [GALAXIE] I Want Off Mailing List
In-Reply-To: <c3c.3f6da480.3606636b@aol.com>
References: <c3c.3f6da480.3606636b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <133f11840809200811h23f3834coa4759332327223cc@mail.gmail.com>

Then click on the link on the bottom of EVERY email, and unsubscribe.
http://lists.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo.cgi/galaxie

On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:32 AM, <Wiattdj1 at aol.com> wrote:

>  I no longer want to receive e-mails from Galaxie
>
>
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From betnden at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 13:30:44 2008
From: betnden at gmail.com (Dennis W)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:30:44 -0500
Subject: [GALAXIE] i want out
In-Reply-To: <20080920093004.LXXKN.310238.imail@eastrmwml29>
References: <20080920093004.LXXKN.310238.imail@eastrmwml29>
Message-ID: <8c0c92e10809200930s294e47b8l76310f4afabf1968@mail.gmail.com>

Because of all the requests for list removal, here is the proper way to do
it yourself:


To unsubscribe from this service you must first purchase a Craft-O-Matic
Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit. The unit can be obtained from
most hardware stores and dental clinics.

Be sure to obtain the proper permits to operate the unit from the Nuclear
Regulatory Commission and the Food and Drug Administration in Washington
D.C. USA.

Be sure to carefully unpack the kit and place each component in its
accompanying mesh safety bag.

Mount the Pershing DF4 mesinator on top of the perforated Gerring Mach 77
refibulator and attach them using the eight-millimeter torque fork.

Be sure that the refibulator is mounted at a 66 degree angle and properly
dispersed so that it is flush with the curved section of the Pyrex thistle
tube.

Place the four sections of the triangular separation gear into the posture
cylinder and lock them into place using the band aid adhesive strip.

Insert the wiggling pin into the wobbling hole, making sure that it seated
correctly.

Place the D cell battery and the eleven 9 volt batteries in the power
chamber.

The device should be calibrated before operation using the optional digital
corkscrew accessory pack prior to operation.

Insert the digital corkscrew through the electronic combustion service
chamber using caution not to touch the reinforced tungsten igniter control
module and quickly turn the inverter drive to 28.6 degrees.

Turn the Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit upside down
and hit the bottom plate with a 48-ounce ball-peen hammer while shaking the
unit vigorously.

Force open the door to the incineration valve compartment and set the
pressure gauge to 719 psi.

Close the door and seal it shut with duct tape.

The unit should now be properly calibrated and ready to use.

Before activating the Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation
Unit, you must first elevate it to a height of 229 feet above sea level to
insure that the unit receives the proper oxygen level and barometric
pressure.

Point the aerial to 17 degrees north by northeast to within the parameters
of the Telstar GS-2 weather satellite and apply pressure to the wing shaft
on the southern most section of the modular accelerator.

Using the special ratchet adapter supplied with the unit, rotate the heater
core to the "on" position. The "on" position has been obtained when the
green light begins to flash, signifying that the red light is about to go
off.

Once the red light is off, flip the toggle switch labeled "ON/OFF" to the
"ON" position and count to 47 before logging on to the system.

Logon using your username and password and wait for the prompt.

Once prompted you must check the box with the appropriate action you wish to
take and then press the pressure release button and turn off the compressor
while turning the hand crank at 231 meters per minute.

Next, press control, alt, delete, caps lock, shift, number lock, escape and
tab simultaneously.

Press enter. You will have one second to complete the procedure.

If you fail to respond in the time limit allowed, simply purchase a new
Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit and start from the
beginning.

Please remember that this is the only way we will accept for you to
unsubscribe from this service.

We have made every attempt to simplify the procedure for your convenience.
Failure to comply with the unsubscribe policy will result in immediate
termination of your subscription so please follow the above directions
closely.

[Disclaimer]

Some assembly required
Batteries not included
Each piece sold separately
May contain small pieces not suitable for children under 3
Intended for professionals only -- Do not try this at home


On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 8:30 AM, <routerman25 at cox.net> wrote:

> i have sold my galaxie i could not afford to keep her up so i sold her and
> let someone else enjoy her i am having a hard time unsubscribing the
> e mails realy jam up my mail box i would like them to stop
>         thanks  bobby
> _______________________________________________
> Galaxie mailing list
> Galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> http://lists.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo.cgi/galaxie
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From bradlin at westman.wave.ca  Sat Sep 20 13:51:48 2008
From: bradlin at westman.wave.ca (Brad & Linda Johnson)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:51:48 -0500
Subject: [GALAXIE] i want out
In-Reply-To: <8c0c92e10809200930s294e47b8l76310f4afabf1968@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080920093004.LXXKN.310238.imail@eastrmwml29>
	<8c0c92e10809200930s294e47b8l76310f4afabf1968@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BB7C8D221F2C4C67B53A732535FD629A@Lightning>

You know how frustrating, receiving a reply like this must be for someone who is unable to unsubscribe from a mailing list. You also must know how incredibly funny the instructions for the Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit are. What I fear the most though, is the thought that those unable to read well enough to unsubscribe themselves will never get past step 3. Sad thing about that is they will miss the funniest part.

bj
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dennis W 
  To: A list for Ford Galaxie owners. 
  Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 11:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] i want out



  Because of all the requests for list removal, here is the proper way to do it yourself:
   

  To unsubscribe from this service you must first purchase a Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit. The unit can be obtained from most hardware stores and dental clinics.
   
  Be sure to obtain the proper permits to operate the unit from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the Food and Drug Administration in Washington D.C. USA.
   
  Be sure to carefully unpack the kit and place each component in its accompanying mesh safety bag.
   
  Mount the Pershing DF4 mesinator on top of the perforated Gerring Mach 77 refibulator and attach them using the eight-millimeter torque fork.
   
  Be sure that the refibulator is mounted at a 66 degree angle and properly dispersed so that it is flush with the curved section of the Pyrex thistle tube.
   
  Place the four sections of the triangular separation gear into the posture cylinder and lock them into place using the band aid adhesive strip.
   
  Insert the wiggling pin into the wobbling hole, making sure that it seated correctly.
   
  Place the D cell battery and the eleven 9 volt batteries in the power chamber.
   
  The device should be calibrated before operation using the optional digital corkscrew accessory pack prior to operation.
   
  Insert the digital corkscrew through the electronic combustion service chamber using caution not to touch the reinforced tungsten igniter control module and quickly turn the inverter drive to 28.6 degrees.
   
  Turn the Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit upside down and hit the bottom plate with a 48-ounce ball-peen hammer while shaking the unit vigorously.
   
  Force open the door to the incineration valve compartment and set the pressure gauge to 719 psi.
   
  Close the door and seal it shut with duct tape.
   
  The unit should now be properly calibrated and ready to use.
   
  Before activating the Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit, you must first elevate it to a height of 229 feet above sea level to insure that the unit receives the proper oxygen level and barometric pressure.
   
  Point the aerial to 17 degrees north by northeast to within the parameters of the Telstar GS-2 weather satellite and apply pressure to the wing shaft on the southern most section of the modular accelerator.
   
  Using the special ratchet adapter supplied with the unit, rotate the heater core to the "on" position. The "on" position has been obtained when the green light begins to flash, signifying that the red light is about to go off.
   
  Once the red light is off, flip the toggle switch labeled "ON/OFF" to the "ON" position and count to 47 before logging on to the system.
   
  Logon using your username and password and wait for the prompt.
   
  Once prompted you must check the box with the appropriate action you wish to take and then press the pressure release button and turn off the compressor while turning the hand crank at 231 meters per minute.
   
  Next, press control, alt, delete, caps lock, shift, number lock, escape and tab simultaneously.
   
  Press enter. You will have one second to complete the procedure.
   
  If you fail to respond in the time limit allowed, simply purchase a new Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit and start from the beginning.
   
  Please remember that this is the only way we will accept for you to unsubscribe from this service.
   
  We have made every attempt to simplify the procedure for your convenience. Failure to comply with the unsubscribe policy will result in immediate termination of your subscription so please follow the above directions closely.
   
  [Disclaimer]
   
  Some assembly required
  Batteries not included
  Each piece sold separately
  May contain small pieces not suitable for children under 3
  Intended for professionals only -- Do not try this at home



  On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 8:30 AM, <routerman25 at cox.net> wrote:

    i have sold my galaxie i could not afford to keep her up so i sold her and
    let someone else enjoy her i am having a hard time unsubscribing the
    e mails realy jam up my mail box i would like them to stop
            thanks  bobby
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From mikhett at optonline.net  Sat Sep 20 14:57:04 2008
From: mikhett at optonline.net (mikhett)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:57:04 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] 1962 vent window seals
Message-ID: <48D53970.7060208@optonline.net>

Where can i get new vent window seals for a 62 galaxie 500 xl 2dr ht? 
Carpenters,autokrafters,concours ive tried them all but none for a 62 
ht. Only sedans& convs. Thanks Mike

From Trailsports at aol.com  Sat Sep 20 15:44:59 2008
From: Trailsports at aol.com (Trailsports at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:44:59 EDT
Subject: [GALAXIE] 1962 Ford FORD STARLINER on eBay
Message-ID: <cf0.42bae30e.36069eab@aol.com>

Hello, did anybody see this 1962 "Starliner" on eBay? I've owned both a 1960 
and a 1961 Starliner and am aware of the Ford Starlift that was built for 
NASCAR in 1962 due to the new roof line of the '62 Galaxy having all the 
aerodynamics of a brick. 
But that was based on a 1962 "Sunliner" body with a bolt-on hardtop from a 
1961 Starliner for aerodynamics. But the car on eBay is certainly not a Starlift.
I'm not familiar with a 1962 Galaxie dash but this car looks to have a 1961 
dash. Any chance this is a real deal? Or has someone grafted sheet metal from a 
62 Ford to a 61 Starliner.
 
Thanks,
 
Jack Kramer
 
 
_eBay Motors: Ford : FORD (item 220282897716 end time Sep-24-08 16:14:38 
PDT)_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-FORD-STARLINER-1962-FORD-STARLINER-BIG-BLOCK-TRI-POWER-RARE-AFX-CAR_W0QQitemZ220282897716QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item22028
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From dave at 62ford.com  Sat Sep 20 21:54:34 2008
From: dave at 62ford.com (Dave Coleman)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:54:34 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] 1962 Ford FORD STARLINER on eBay
In-Reply-To: <cf0.42bae30e.36069eab@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002701c91b84$9d5339c0$6400a8c0@dave01>

I have seen pictures of the starlift and you could tell from the C
pillars that it was a modified 62.   The only thing I can figure is that
this one is a 61 with 62 sheetmetal from the quarter panels back.  It
looks pretty cool, but if I wanted one like that, I would start with a
61 and 62 galaxie that wasn't so rusted out, rather than buying that
one.  I am surprised that I have never seen a starlift clone.  That
would be something neat to see at a car show.
 
To see pictures and information about the starlift, go to
http://www.62ford.com/registry/better_ideas.asp
 
Dave Coleman
 

-----Original Message-----
From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of
Trailsports at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:45 PM
To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
Subject: [GALAXIE] 1962 Ford FORD STARLINER on eBay


Hello, did anybody see this 1962 "Starliner" on eBay? I've owned both a
1960 and a 1961 Starliner and am aware of the Ford Starlift that was
built for NASCAR in 1962 due to the new roof line of the '62 Galaxy
having all the aerodynamics of a brick. 
But that was based on a 1962 "Sunliner" body with a bolt-on hardtop from
a 1961 Starliner for aerodynamics. But the car on eBay is certainly not
a Starlift.
I'm not familiar with a 1962 Galaxie dash but this car looks to have a
1961 dash. Any chance this is a real deal? Or has someone grafted sheet
metal from a 62 Ford to a 61 Starliner.
 
Thanks,
 
Jack Kramer
 
 
eBay
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-FORD-STARLINER-1962-FORD-STARLINER-
BIG-BLOCK-TRI-POWER-RARE-AFX-CAR_W0QQitemZ220282897716QQcmdZViewItem?has
h=item220282897716&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C65%3A1%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.
c0.m245> Motors: Ford : FORD (item 220282897716 end time Sep-24-08
16:14:38 PDT)




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From towd at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 22 00:01:15 2008
From: towd at hotmail.com (towd at hotmail.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 23:01:15 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] 67 disc brakes
Message-ID: <BAY114-W5052C8BF09BB12BF4C1174C74B0@phx.gbl>


Does anyone know if spindles from a 68 disc brake car will fit a 67 drum brake car? what else would I need to change in order to make my 67 a disc brake?
 
dennis 
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From director at galaxieclub.com  Mon Sep 22 00:05:29 2008
From: director at galaxieclub.com (Ford Galaxie Club of America)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:05:29 -0500
Subject: [GALAXIE] 67 disc brakes
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-W5052C8BF09BB12BF4C1174C74B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080921220428.02f605b0@pop.powweb.com>

I'd avoid the 68 as the parts are very hard to get and cost a fortune. Yes, 
the spindles will fit. The rotors on the other hand are Kelsey hayes andso 
are the calipers. Four piston if I am not mistaken. Special wheels are needed.


At 10:01 PM 9/21/2008, you wrote:
>Does anyone know if spindles from a 68 disc brake car will fit a 67 drum 
>brake car? what else would I need to change in order to make my 67 a disc 
>brake?
>
>dennis
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From mercurycat21 at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 22 01:17:43 2008
From: mercurycat21 at hotmail.com (kenneth gucker)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:17:43 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] 67 disc brakes
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Hi, I have been told that the disk brakes frok a later Cougar or LTD are a direct bolt on and you can get replacement parts. It is funny that this is comming up as I just spoke to a friend in PA who is parting out a car that should have what you need.
If you are interested, I can give you his info.
Good luck
Ken



Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:05:29 -0500To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.caFrom: director at galaxieclub.comSubject: Re: [GALAXIE] 67 disc brakesI'd avoid the 68 as the parts are very hard to get and cost a fortune. Yes, the spindles will fit. The rotors on the other hand are Kelsey hayes andso are the calipers. Four piston if I am not mistaken. Special wheels are needed.At 10:01 PM 9/21/2008, you wrote:
Does anyone know if spindles from a 68 disc brake car will fit a 67 drum brake car? what else would I need to change in order to make my 67 a disc brake? dennis towd at hotmail.com

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From Biggalaxie at aol.com  Mon Sep 22 01:45:21 2008
From: Biggalaxie at aol.com (Biggalaxie at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:45:21 EDT
Subject: [GALAXIE] 67 disc brakes
Message-ID: <bbf.37065d8c.36087ce1@aol.com>

that conversion that uses 77-79 tbird or ltd 2 spindles etc works alright  
most of the time (some people have trouble lining up the front  afterwards) you 
will also need outer tie rod ends from a 70 ltd so the  cotter pins can be 
used. or you could go with scarebird _http://www.scarebird.com/_ 
(http://www.scarebird.com/)  
 
 
In a message dated 9/22/2008 12:18:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mercurycat21 at hotmail.com writes:

Hi, I  have been told that the disk brakes frok a later Cougar or LTD are a 
direct  bolt on and you can get replacement parts. It is funny that this is 
comming up  as I just spoke to a friend in PA who is parting out a car that 
should have  what you need.
If you are interested, I can give you his info.
Good  luck
Ken


 
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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:05:29 -0500
To:  galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
From: director at galaxieclub.com
Subject: Re:  [GALAXIE] 67 disc brakes

I'd avoid the 68 as the parts are  very hard to get and cost a fortune. Yes, 
the spindles will fit. The rotors on  the other hand are Kelsey hayes andso 
are the calipers. Four piston if I am  not mistaken. Special wheels are needed.


At 10:01 PM 9/21/2008, you  wrote:


Does anyone know if spindles from a 68 disc brake car  will fit a 67 drum 
brake car? what else would I need to change in order to  make my 67 a disc brake?

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From billwebb460 at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 22 15:21:22 2008
From: billwebb460 at hotmail.com (Bill Webb)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:21:22 -0500
Subject: [GALAXIE] Direct Fit Brakes:
Message-ID: <BAY139-DS21A51F0911252ADD1136FE4450@phx.gbl>

   I purchased a 4 wheel manual disc brake kit for my 63 Galaxie Convertible. I ordered a chrome master cyl. but received a plain one. It took 3 different shipments on 3 different days from different companies to get all the parts? They then sent me a chrome master cyl. like I ordered along with a power brake booster that I didn't order? The directions to install the brakes leave a lot to be desired, very generic instead of being specific for a 63 Galaxie. Sort of like take the old stuff off and put the new stuff on, that's OK if you are brake mechanic. All the pre bent lines from the master cyl. to the F&R calipers had bad flairs and leaked like a sieve. The T fitting for the rear brakes had a place for the stop light switch, that's great! The only thing is the fitting is under the car. It doesn't make sense to put it there, the wiring has to be spliced, and it's in harms way. The emergency brake cable they sent is a generic cable that you have to make fit, no instructions on how to do it. This is supposed to be a kit that fits, not one that you have modify and replace bad parts. Basically it's just a bunch of parts that it's up to you to make work! (IF YOU CAN)
  After getting the brakes on and having all new lines made to get rid of the leaks the brakes don't hold very well! I've replaced the pads thinking I got grease on them. No difference. I've had 2 VERY GOOD mechanics work on them. They haven't figured it out yet. I have pedal, but they just don't hold. I've spent a lot of money trying to make this crap work.
  I've talked to these people many times, and the answers I get most are IT'S A PIECE OF CAKE, or YOU, AND/OR YOUR MECHANICS DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING!!!!! I'm tired of hearing this, I would like to return this crap and get my money back. Then buy a real kit from a real company. If they knew what they were doing they would have sent the correct parts, sent lines with good flairs, not sent me a power booster

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From terence.turner at lmco.com  Wed Sep 24 20:10:29 2008
From: terence.turner at lmco.com (Turner, Terence)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:10:29 -0700
Subject: [GALAXIE] Direct Fit Brakes:
In-Reply-To: <BAY139-DS21A51F0911252ADD1136FE4450@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY139-DS21A51F0911252ADD1136FE4450@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F5FF3380E9F41648AF24B80C2AAF19AD086E8FEB@emss08m03.us.lmco.com>

Hi Bill, what was the company that you made the purchase from? I did the
conversion to front discs on my 63 Galaxie conv, and so far they are
manual. They definitely do take more effort to stop the car than the
drums. I retained the stock drum setup on the rear. My late father
ordered this car new, and gave it to me when I turned sixteen, so I have
put many miles on the drum brakes prior to making the switch. Honestly,
I really did prefer the drums, but the discs are much, much better if
they get wet. I would also assume the discs would be less likely to fade
under extreme braking, but again, I have never had a problem with the
original drums. You might ask the rest of the members here what there
experience is with a brake booster addition. That might make it work
nicely. I do have an original booster, which I believe will have o be
rebuilt, and I am going to try to add that on the car someday. You've
obviously put a lot of time and money into the system, but maybe if it's
only the booster that you need to hook up, you might be satisfied.
Anyone else have any similar experience like this?
    Good luck Bill, I'm sure you'll get there.
 
Terry Turner
 
63 Galaxie Conv. 

________________________________

From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Bill Webb
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:21 AM
To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
Subject: [GALAXIE] Direct Fit Brakes:


   I purchased a 4 wheel manual disc brake kit for my 63 Galaxie
Convertible. I ordered a chrome master cyl. but received a plain one. It
took 3 different shipments on 3 different days from different companies
to get all the parts? They then sent me a chrome master cyl. like I
ordered along with a power brake booster that I didn't order? The
directions to install the brakes leave a lot to be desired, very generic
instead of being specific for a 63 Galaxie. Sort of like take the old
stuff off and put the new stuff on, that's OK if you are brake mechanic.
All the pre bent lines from the master cyl. to the F&R calipers had bad
flairs and leaked like a sieve. The T fitting for the rear brakes had a
place for the stop light switch, that's great! The only thing is the
fitting is under the car. It doesn't make sense to put it there, the
wiring has to be spliced, and it's in harms way. The emergency brake
cable they sent is a generic cable that you have to make fit, no
instructions on how to do it. This is supposed to be a kit that fits,
not one that you have modify and replace bad parts. Basically it's just
a bunch of parts that it's up to you to make work! (IF YOU CAN)
  After getting the brakes on and having all new lines made to get rid
of the leaks the brakes don't hold very well! I've replaced the pads
thinking I got grease on them. No difference. I've had 2 VERY GOOD
mechanics work on them. They haven't figured it out yet. I have pedal,
but they just don't hold. I've spent a lot of money trying to make this
crap work.
  I've talked to these people many times, and the answers I get most are
IT'S A PIECE OF CAKE, or YOU, AND/OR YOUR MECHANICS DON'T KNOW WHAT
YOU'RE DOING!!!!! I'm tired of hearing this, I would like to return this
crap and get my money back. Then buy a real kit from a real company. If
they knew what they were doing they would have sent the correct parts,
sent lines with good flairs, not sent me a power booster
 
                                                    Bill Webb.
 
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From peterlindgren at gmail.com  Wed Sep 24 21:43:59 2008
From: peterlindgren at gmail.com (Peter Lindgren)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:43:59 -0500
Subject: [GALAXIE] Direct Fit Brakes:
In-Reply-To: <F5FF3380E9F41648AF24B80C2AAF19AD086E8FEB@emss08m03.us.lmco.com>
References: <BAY139-DS21A51F0911252ADD1136FE4450@phx.gbl>
	<F5FF3380E9F41648AF24B80C2AAF19AD086E8FEB@emss08m03.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <133f11840809241743x17494d26o98eba7cc030160f2@mail.gmail.com>

Terry,

What Master Cylinder did you use? do you know the bore diameter?

Pete

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Turner, Terence <terence.turner at lmco.com>wrote:

>  Hi Bill, what was the company that you made the purchase from? I did the
> conversion to front discs on my 63 Galaxie conv, and so far they are manual.
> They definitely do take more effort to stop the car than the drums. I
> retained the stock drum setup on the rear. My late father ordered this car
> new, and gave it to me when I turned sixteen, so I have put many miles on
> the drum brakes prior to making the switch. Honestly, I really did prefer
> the drums, but the discs are much, much better if they get wet. I would also
> assume the discs would be less likely to fade under extreme braking, but
> again, I have never had a problem with the original drums. You might ask the
> rest of the members here what there experience is with a brake booster
> addition. That might make it work nicely. I do have an original booster,
> which I believe will have o be rebuilt, and I am going to try to add that on
> the car someday. You've obviously put a lot of time and money into the
> system, but maybe if it's only the booster that you need to hook up, you
> might be satisfied. Anyone else have any similar experience like this?
>     Good luck Bill, I'm sure you'll get there.
>
>
> Terry Turner
>
>                                                                                     63
> Galaxie Conv.
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca [mailto:
> galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] *On Behalf Of *Bill Webb
> *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2008 11:21 AM
> *To:* galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> *Subject:* [GALAXIE] Direct Fit Brakes:
>
>     I purchased a 4 wheel manual disc brake kit for my 63 Galaxie
> Convertible. I ordered a chrome master cyl. but received a plain one. It
> took 3 different shipments on 3 different days from different companies to
> get all the parts? They then sent me a chrome master cyl. like I ordered
> along with a power brake booster that I didn't order? The directions to
> install the brakes leave a lot to be desired, very generic instead of being
> specific for a 63 Galaxie. Sort of like take the old stuff off and put the
> new stuff on, that's OK if you are brake mechanic. All the pre bent lines
> from the master cyl. to the F&R calipers had bad flairs and leaked like a
> sieve. The T fitting for the rear brakes had a place for the stop light
> switch, that's great! The only thing is the fitting is under the car. It
> doesn't make sense to put it there, the wiring has to be spliced, and it's
> in harms way. The emergency brake cable they sent is a generic cable that
> you have to make fit, no instructions on how to do it. This is supposed to
> be a kit that fits, not one that you have modify and replace bad parts.
> Basically it's just a bunch of parts that it's up to you to make work! (IF
> YOU CAN)
>   After getting the brakes on and having all new lines made to get rid of
> the leaks the brakes don't hold very well! I've replaced the pads thinking I
> got grease on them. No difference. I've had 2 VERY GOOD mechanics work on
> them. They haven't figured it out yet. I have pedal, but they just don't
> hold. I've spent a lot of money trying to make this crap work.
>   I've talked to these people many times, and the answers I get most are
> IT'S A PIECE OF CAKE, or YOU, AND/OR YOUR MECHANICS DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE
> DOING!!!!! I'm tired of hearing this, I would like to return this crap and
> get my money back. Then buy a real kit from a real company. If they knew
> what they were doing they would have sent the correct parts, sent lines with
> good flairs, not sent me a power booster
>
>                                                     Bill Webb.
>
>
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From terence.turner at lmco.com  Thu Sep 25 10:53:10 2008
From: terence.turner at lmco.com (Turner, Terence)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:53:10 -0700
Subject: [GALAXIE] Direct Fit Brakes:
In-Reply-To: <133f11840809241743x17494d26o98eba7cc030160f2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY139-DS21A51F0911252ADD1136FE4450@phx.gbl>
	<F5FF3380E9F41648AF24B80C2AAF19AD086E8FEB@emss08m03.us.lmco.com>
	<133f11840809241743x17494d26o98eba7cc030160f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F5FF3380E9F41648AF24B80C2AAF19AD086E8FEC@emss08m03.us.lmco.com>

Hi Pete, I used the dual master cylinder for a 72 LTD, which was the
donor car. I did get a rebuilt unit, and I think it was for manual
brakes, but not sure. I'm sorry, but I don't know the diameter.
                            Terry

________________________________

From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Peter
Lindgren
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 5:44 PM
To: A list for Ford Galaxie owners.
Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Direct Fit Brakes:


Terry,
 
What Master Cylinder did you use? do you know the bore diameter?

Pete


On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Turner, Terence
<terence.turner at lmco.com> wrote:


	Hi Bill, what was the company that you made the purchase from? I
did the conversion to front discs on my 63 Galaxie conv, and so far they
are manual. They definitely do take more effort to stop the car than the
drums. I retained the stock drum setup on the rear. My late father
ordered this car new, and gave it to me when I turned sixteen, so I have
put many miles on the drum brakes prior to making the switch. Honestly,
I really did prefer the drums, but the discs are much, much better if
they get wet. I would also assume the discs would be less likely to fade
under extreme braking, but again, I have never had a problem with the
original drums. You might ask the rest of the members here what there
experience is with a brake booster addition. That might make it work
nicely. I do have an original booster, which I believe will have o be
rebuilt, and I am going to try to add that on the car someday. You've
obviously put a lot of time and money into the system, but maybe if it's
only the booster that you need to hook up, you might be satisfied.
Anyone else have any similar experience like this?
	    Good luck Bill, I'm sure you'll get there.
	
Terry Turner
	
63 Galaxie Conv. 

________________________________

	From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Bill Webb
	Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:21 AM
	To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
	Subject: [GALAXIE] Direct Fit Brakes:
	
	
	   I purchased a 4 wheel manual disc brake kit for my 63 Galaxie
Convertible. I ordered a chrome master cyl. but received a plain one. It
took 3 different shipments on 3 different days from different companies
to get all the parts? They then sent me a chrome master cyl. like I
ordered along with a power brake booster that I didn't order? The
directions to install the brakes leave a lot to be desired, very generic
instead of being specific for a 63 Galaxie. Sort of like take the old
stuff off and put the new stuff on, that's OK if you are brake mechanic.
All the pre bent lines from the master cyl. to the F&R calipers had bad
flairs and leaked like a sieve. The T fitting for the rear brakes had a
place for the stop light switch, that's great! The only thing is the
fitting is under the car. It doesn't make sense to put it there, the
wiring has to be spliced, and it's in harms way. The emergency brake
cable they sent is a generic cable that you have to make fit, no
instructions on how to do it. This is supposed to be a kit that fits,
not one that you have modify and replace bad parts. Basically it's just
a bunch of parts that it's up to you to make work! (IF YOU CAN)
	  After getting the brakes on and having all new lines made to
get rid of the leaks the brakes don't hold very well! I've replaced the
pads thinking I got grease on them. No difference. I've had 2 VERY GOOD
mechanics work on them. They haven't figured it out yet. I have pedal,
but they just don't hold. I've spent a lot of money trying to make this
crap work.
	  I've talked to these people many times, and the answers I get
most are IT'S A PIECE OF CAKE, or YOU, AND/OR YOUR MECHANICS DON'T KNOW
WHAT YOU'RE DOING!!!!! I'm tired of hearing this, I would like to return
this crap and get my money back. Then buy a real kit from a real
company. If they knew what they were doing they would have sent the
correct parts, sent lines with good flairs, not sent me a power booster
	 
	                                                    Bill Webb.
	 

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From geek97301 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 25 12:03:25 2008
From: geek97301 at yahoo.com (geek97301 at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:03:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GALAXIE] Direct Fit Brakes:
In-Reply-To: <BAY139-DS21A51F0911252ADD1136FE4450@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <195908.85567.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This is par for the course for Greg Perry, the owner/operator of Direct Fit Brakes.  It sounds like nothing has changed since I bought brakes from him back in 2004.  His name/company crops up on the board every so often.

It took many bad parts, multiple shipments and inumerable emails and phone calls (95% of which were never returned) to get it sorted out, and even then I ended up with very mediocre brake performance.  Of course, he swore up and down that he had sold hundreds of brake kits, and I was the only to ever complain or have a problem.  Yeah, right.


--- On Mon, 9/22/08, Bill Webb <billwebb460 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Bill Webb <billwebb460 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [GALAXIE] Direct Fit Brakes:
> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 11:21 AM
> I purchased a 4 wheel manual disc brake kit for my 63
> Galaxie Convertible. I ordered a chrome master cyl. but
> received a plain one. It took 3 different shipments on 3
> different days from different companies to get all the
> parts? They then sent me a chrome master cyl. like I ordered
> along with a power brake booster that I didn't order?
> The directions to install the brakes leave a lot to be
> desired, very generic instead of being specific for a 63
> Galaxie. Sort of like take the old stuff off and put the new
> stuff on, that's OK if you are brake mechanic. All the
> pre bent lines from the master cyl. to the F&R calipers
> had bad flairs and leaked like a sieve. The T fitting for
> the rear brakes had a place for the stop light switch,
> that's great! The only thing is the fitting is under the
> car. It doesn't make sense to put it there, the wiring
> has to be spliced, and it's in harms way. The emergency
> brake cable they sent is a generic cable that you have to
> make fit, no instructions on how to do it. This is supposed
> to be a kit that fits, not one that you have modify and
> replace bad parts. Basically it's just a bunch of parts
> that it's up to you to make work! (IF YOU CAN)
>   After getting the brakes on and having all new lines made
> to get rid of the leaks the brakes don't hold very well!
> I've replaced the pads thinking I got grease on them. No
> difference. I've had 2 VERY GOOD mechanics work on them.
> They haven't figured it out yet. I have pedal, but they
> just don't hold. I've spent a lot of money trying to
> make this crap work.
>   I've talked to these people many times, and the
> answers I get most are IT'S A PIECE OF CAKE, or YOU,
> AND/OR YOUR MECHANICS DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE
> DOING!!!!! I'm tired of hearing this, I would like to
> return this crap and get my money back. Then buy a real kit
> from a real company. If they knew what they were doing they
> would have sent the correct parts, sent lines with good
> flairs, not sent me a power booster
> 
>                                                     Bill
> Webb.
> _______________________________________________
> Galaxie mailing list
> Galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> http://lists.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo.cgi/galaxie


      

From rosegirl88 at earthlink.net  Thu Sep 25 18:03:40 2008
From: rosegirl88 at earthlink.net (RMSC)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:03:40 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] Direct Fit brakes
Message-ID: <B557975CE1194B049D5B170A9A5DB2DD@yourw04gtxld67>

Greg Perry, the owner of Direct Fit Brakes, is known for customer abuse. He has changred the name of the company many times, has been thrown offf Ebay. He has had many complaints filed againt him by customers throught the Arizona AG office and BBB. Greg Perry knows most of his customers are out of state, therefore the Attorney General will do little if anything. The Better Buisness Bureau is not a legal entity and has no power. Greg Perry was thrown out of the FGCoA.

Greg Perry will offer little assiatance. Greg Perry will deny any mistakes on his part any try to put the blame on you.  By using caller ID, Greg Perry will stop taking your calls. 

Greg Perry will not take the parts back and offer a refund. If you have spoken with Greg Perry. on the phone, you already know what you are dealing with.
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From GalaxiesNW at aol.com  Thu Sep 25 20:35:02 2008
From: GalaxiesNW at aol.com (GalaxiesNW at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:35:02 EDT
Subject: [GALAXIE] [FordGalaxieClubofAmerica] speaking of dearborn
	interiors
Message-ID: <c6c.349224d2.360d7a26@aol.com>

>From Trever at Dearborn reference upholstery...................... 
 

Joe DeTemple 
GalaxiesNW
_www.galaxiesnw.com_ (http://www.galaxiesnw.com/) 


In a message dated 9/25/2008 9:40:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
tberge at dearbornclassics.com writes:

Hi Joe:
Good to hear from  you.  There are actually a few manufacturers that make the 
same product  for 1962-1963 Galaxie XL.  We have our own tooling and 
materials on  these.   I personally did the research and development and approved  
every piece so I know intimately what these parts are all  about.  You know about 
this as your car has one of these interiors  so you understand what is 
involved and what the finished product is  like.   As far as I know most of our 
competitors are  selling another brand as our tends to be priced a little bit 
higher than the  others.  I will say I have seen the other interior products 
available  from the  two other manufacturers and ours is significantly  better 
quality and is the closest to the original.  It would take setting  these side by 
side to show you the differences.  What someone considers  an average product 
versus an excellent product is subjective but  what I have found is most 
Galaxie owners want things as close to original as  possible and are striving to 
get an excellent reproduction and that is the  target we have attempted to meet. 
 If someone is offering a  lower price, I would venture to say it is because 
they are not offering the  same product quality and are selling a lesser 
product as there are numerous  differences in material construction, color 
accuracy, sewing, mylar design,  warranty, etc. that makes a difference when the whole 
car is complete.  I  hope this explanation helps.  You are welcome to forward 
this  on.
 
Thanks,
 
Trevor  Berge
Dearborn  Classics






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From GalaxiesNW at aol.com  Thu Sep 25 20:35:02 2008
From: GalaxiesNW at aol.com (GalaxiesNW at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:35:02 EDT
Subject: [GALAXIE] [FordGalaxieClubofAmerica] speaking of dearborn
	interiors
Message-ID: <c6c.349224d2.360d7a26@aol.com>

>From Trever at Dearborn reference upholstery...................... 
 

Joe DeTemple 
GalaxiesNW
_www.galaxiesnw.com_ (http://www.galaxiesnw.com/) 


In a message dated 9/25/2008 9:40:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
tberge at dearbornclassics.com writes:

Hi Joe:
Good to hear from  you.  There are actually a few manufacturers that make the 
same product  for 1962-1963 Galaxie XL.  We have our own tooling and 
materials on  these.   I personally did the research and development and approved  
every piece so I know intimately what these parts are all  about.  You know about 
this as your car has one of these interiors  so you understand what is 
involved and what the finished product is  like.   As far as I know most of our 
competitors are  selling another brand as our tends to be priced a little bit 
higher than the  others.  I will say I have seen the other interior products 
available  from the  two other manufacturers and ours is significantly  better 
quality and is the closest to the original.  It would take setting  these side by 
side to show you the differences.  What someone considers  an average product 
versus an excellent product is subjective but  what I have found is most 
Galaxie owners want things as close to original as  possible and are striving to 
get an excellent reproduction and that is the  target we have attempted to meet. 
 If someone is offering a  lower price, I would venture to say it is because 
they are not offering the  same product quality and are selling a lesser 
product as there are numerous  differences in material construction, color 
accuracy, sewing, mylar design,  warranty, etc. that makes a difference when the whole 
car is complete.  I  hope this explanation helps.  You are welcome to forward 
this  on.
 
Thanks,
 
Trevor  Berge
Dearborn  Classics






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From dfbrakes at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 25 20:53:50 2008
From: dfbrakes at yahoo.com (Greg Perry)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:53:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GALAXIE] (Galaxie) Direct Fit Brakes
Message-ID: <86213.29073.qm@web45215.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

My name is Greg Perry, Owner of Direct Fit Brakes.? I would like to take a moment to respond to these slanderous allegations on a point by point basis.
?
First of all, I am not known for customer abuse.??The first page of my installation instructions state that it is the responsibility of the person installing any brake component or kit to determine the suitability for their particular application.? I have?obviously not physically seen their car and must rely on what?I am told by the customer in order to determine if a particular application will work on their car.? It also states that if they are not sure how to safely use the kit, they should not install or use it.? We offer 24/7 Technical Support and do indeed answer our phones on that basis.? I do at times get frustrated with some people.? It is sometimes difficult to assist someone who will not listen to me when I am trying to help them with their issue.?? This allegation that I am known for customer abuse is ridiculous and not worth more time than I've already taken to defend it.
?
I have not, at any time, changed the name of my business.? I refer you to the Arizona Corporation Commission at www.cc.state.az.us/divisions/corporations.? You can look up my company there.? The information speaks for itself.? 
?
I have never been thrown off of eBay.? Again, you can research this information for yourself on eBay.? I invite you to check out my eBay feedback.? It speaks for itself as well.
?
Please feel free to search the Better Business Bureau for my company.? In the last 3 years there has been a total of 1 complaint.? I did not answer the complaint because the issue was resolved between the customer and I.? Therefore, the allegation that there have been numerous complaints is again, ridiculous.
?
I had one issue with a Galaxy member whom I will not name.? One bad apple does not spoil the whole bunch however I have better things to do, like run my business and provide technical support to those that desire it and are open to it.? I was not thrown out of your club.? I had a paid membership and chose not to renew my membership after discovering that the club was based upon bashing members and businesses.? 
?
I do not use caller ID to screen calls.? I have office staff, being Kym or Renee, who answer the phones from 7am?to 4pm Monday through Friday.? I have a mechanical staff that are quite capable of answering any technical support issues in the event that I am unavailable.? We not only sell the kits, we install them every day.? 
?
I do not deny my own mistakes.? Everybody makes them.? I do not put the blame on the customer.? However, there are certainly issues of customer error.? Let's be realistic!Surprisingly, the most trouble I have are with actual mechanic shops.? 
?
I have a return policy and abide by it.? I certainly have done refunds.? What business hasn't.? If a part is manufacturally defective, I absolutely resolve the issue.? 
?
I have sold hundreds of these kits.?In fact, many have been sold to your own Galaxy club members.? We also do Disc Brake Conversions for just about every car made.? 
?
We invite you to give us a call or visit our website at www.dfbrakes.com.
?
Thank you,
?
Greg Perry
Owner
Direct Fit Brakes
?
?
?
ORIGINAL POSTING:
?
"Greg Perry, the owner of Direct Fit Brakes, is known for customer abuse. He has changred the name of the company many times, has been thrown offf Ebay. He has had many complaints filed againt him by customers throught the Arizona AG office and BBB. Greg Perry knows most of his customers are out of state, therefore the Attorney General will do little if anything. The Better Buisness Bureau is not a legal entity and has no power. Greg Perry was thrown out of the FGCoA.
?
Greg Perry will offer little assiatance. Greg Perry will deny any mistakes on his part any try to put the blame on you.??By using caller ID, Greg Perry will stop taking your calls. 
?
Greg Perry will not take the parts back and offer a refund"




      
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From rosegirl88 at earthlink.net  Thu Sep 25 21:27:54 2008
From: rosegirl88 at earthlink.net (RMSC)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:27:54 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] Direct Fit Brakes
Message-ID: <BE1F2D4F38CC435C99808327F1ACFD53@yourw04gtxld67>

Greg Perry originally went by the name of "kayscamaro" on Ebay. He has used different names on Ebay since then. Greg Perry has changed his company name many times., at one time he called himself "Equity Enterprises".

Anyone who wishes to deal with Greg Perry should contact the Arizona and Glendale BBB and the Arizona State Consumer affairs first. His antics are on the public record. 

Greg Perry's dealing have been discussed many times on this list. Here is one example. http://lists.twistedpair.ca/pipermail/galaxie/2004-May/028250.html Greg Perry did not type his latest message. This past message had to be left by someone else. It has complete sentences, which is beyond Greg Perry's capabilities

Greg Perry was not kicked out of the FGCoA because a complaint by one member. Greg Perry has a policy of when he gets your money, you won't get it back.
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From dave at 62ford.com  Thu Sep 25 23:58:58 2008
From: dave at 62ford.com (Dave Coleman)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:58:58 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] [FordGalaxieClubofAmerica] speaking of
	dearborninteriors
In-Reply-To: <c6c.349224d2.360d7a26@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c91f83$d2c25de0$6400a8c0@dave01>

Thanks, Joe.  I'll be sure to buy mine from Dearborn.
 
Dave Coleman

-----Original Message-----
From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of
GalaxiesNW at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:35 PM
To: galaxie at mix.twistedpair.ca; galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] [FordGalaxieClubofAmerica] speaking of
dearborninteriors



>From Trever at Dearborn reference upholstery...................... 
 

Joe DeTemple 
GalaxiesNW
www.galaxiesnw.com <http://www.galaxiesnw.com/> 

 
In a message dated 9/25/2008 9:40:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
tberge at dearbornclassics.com writes:


Hi Joe:
Good to hear from you.  There are actually a few manufacturers that make
the same product for 1962-1963 Galaxie XL.  We have our own tooling and
materials on these.   I personally did the research and development and
approved every piece so I know intimately what these parts are all
about.  You know about this as your car has one of these interiors so
you understand what is involved and what the finished product is like.
As far as I know most of our competitors are selling another brand as
our tends to be priced a little bit higher than the others.  I will say
I have seen the other interior products available from the  two other
manufacturers and ours is significantly better quality and is the
closest to the original.  It would take setting these side by side to
show you the differences.  What someone considers an average product
versus an excellent product is subjective but what I have found is most
Galaxie owners want things as close to original as possible and are
striving to get an excellent reproduction and that is the target we have
attempted to meet.  If someone is offering a lower price, I would
venture to say it is because they are not offering the same product
quality and are selling a lesser product as there are numerous
differences in material construction, color accuracy, sewing, mylar
design, warranty, etc. that makes a difference when the whole car is
complete.  I hope this explanation helps.  You are welcome to forward
this on.
 
Thanks,
 
Trevor Berge
Dearborn Classics





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From dave at 62ford.com  Fri Sep 26 00:09:04 2008
From: dave at 62ford.com (Dave Coleman)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:09:04 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] updated progress page
In-Reply-To: <c6c.349224d2.360d7a26@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c91f85$3bec1990$6400a8c0@dave01>

This has been the most productive summer I have had working on my 62
Galaxie since I started the restoration over 5 years ago.  Maybe I will
be able to finish it in the next 2 or 3 years.
 
I just updated my progress page if anyone is interested.
 
Here is a link:
 
http://jamesthornton.com/wp/display/378/
 
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From peterlindgren at gmail.com  Fri Sep 26 04:07:22 2008
From: peterlindgren at gmail.com (Peter Lindgren)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 02:07:22 -0500
Subject: [GALAXIE] (Galaxie) Direct Fit Brakes
In-Reply-To: <86213.29073.qm@web45215.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <86213.29073.qm@web45215.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <133f11840809260007p6e939aa3y628fcbd6ecc54903@mail.gmail.com>

Please take a moment to make sure that you spell GALAXIE correctly in the
future, as it doesn't look good when you cannot spell the model of your
clients car correctly. We can all spell Impala here.

I know its not your fault, it's the spell checking program that changed
it......you can also over ride that function when pleading your case with
potential customers.







On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Greg Perry <dfbrakes at yahoo.com> wrote:

> My name is Greg Perry, Owner of Direct Fit Brakes.  I would like to take a
> moment to respond to these slanderous allegations on a point by point basis.
>
> First of all, I am not known for customer abuse.  The first page of my
> installation instructions state that it is the responsibility of the person
> installing any brake component or kit to determine the suitability for their
> particular application.  I have obviously not physically seen their car and
> must rely on what I am told by the customer in order to determine if a
> particular application will work on their car.  It also states that if they
> are not sure how to safely use the kit, they should not install or use it.
> We offer 24/7 Technical Support and do indeed answer our phones on that
> basis.  I do at times get frustrated with some people.  It is sometimes
> difficult to assist someone who will not listen to me when I am trying to
> help them with their issue.   This allegation that I am known for customer
> abuse is ridiculous and not worth more time than I've already taken to
> defend it.
>
> I have not, at any time, changed the name of my business.  I refer you to
> the Arizona Corporation Commission at
> www.cc.state.az.us/divisions/corporations.  You can look up my company
> there.  The information speaks for itself.
>
> I have never been thrown off of eBay.  Again, you can research this
> information for yourself on eBay.  I invite you to check out my eBay
> feedback.  It speaks for itself as well.
>
> Please feel free to search the Better Business Bureau for my company.  In
> the last 3 years there has been a total of 1 complaint.  I did not answer
> the complaint because the issue was resolved between the customer and I.
> Therefore, the allegation that there have been numerous complaints is again,
> ridiculous.
>
> I had one issue with a Galaxy member whom I will not name.  One bad apple
> does not spoil the whole bunch however I have better things to do, like run
> my business and provide technical support to those that desire it and are
> open to it.  I was not thrown out of your club.  I had a paid membership and
> chose not to renew my membership after discovering that the club was based
> upon bashing members and businesses.
>
> I do not use caller ID to screen calls.  I have office staff, being Kym or
> Renee, who answer the phones from 7am to 4pm Monday through Friday.  I have
> a mechanical staff that are quite capable of answering any technical support
> issues in the event that I am unavailable.  We not only sell the kits, we
> install them every day.
>
> I do not deny my own mistakes.  Everybody makes them.  I do not put the
> blame on the customer.  However, there are certainly issues of customer
> error.  Let's be realistic!Surprisingly, the most trouble I have are with
> actual mechanic shops.
>
> I have a return policy and abide by it.  I certainly have done refunds.
> What business hasn't.  If a part is manufacturally defective, I absolutely
> resolve the issue.
>
> I have sold hundreds of these kits. In fact, many have been sold to your
> own Galaxy club members.  We also do Disc Brake Conversions for just about
> every car made.
>
> We invite you to give us a call or visit our website at www.dfbrakes.com.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Greg Perry
> Owner
> Direct Fit Brakes
>
>
>
> ORIGINAL POSTING:
>
> "Greg Perry, the owner of Direct Fit Brakes, is known for customer abuse.
> He has changred the name of the company many times, has been thrown offf
> Ebay. He has had many complaints filed againt him by customers throught the
> Arizona AG office and BBB. Greg Perry knows most of his customers are out of
> state, therefore the Attorney General will do little if anything. The Better
> Buisness Bureau is not a legal entity and has no power. Greg Perry was
> thrown out of the FGCoA.
>
> Greg Perry will offer little assiatance. Greg Perry will deny any mistakes
> on his part any try to put the blame on you.  By using caller ID, Greg Perry
> will stop taking your calls.
>
> Greg Perry will not take the parts back and offer a refund"
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Galaxie mailing list
> Galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> http://lists.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo.cgi/galaxie
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From larsofvt at aol.com  Fri Sep 26 09:59:27 2008
From: larsofvt at aol.com (larsofvt at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:59:27 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] speaking of dearborn interiors
In-Reply-To: <mailman.12195.1222398042.2167.galaxie@lists.twistedpair.ca>
References: <mailman.12195.1222398042.2167.galaxie@lists.twistedpair.ca>
Message-ID: <8CAEDEED6712AF9-1514-3932@webmail-nb11.sysops.aol.com>

Dave,

I don't believe that Trevor is saying that his supplier does not make 
'62 XL kits for others, only that the materials they use is to Dearborn 
requirements. It sounds like what he is talking about is the color and 
grain of the vinyl. I wish I could see different sets in a side by side 
comparison. Maybe I should fly over to Branson and take a poll!

Lars


Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:58:58 -0400
From: "Dave Coleman" <dave at 62ford.com>
Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] [FordGalaxieClubofAmerica] speaking of
    dearborninteriors
To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'" <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
Message-ID: <000001c91f83$d2c25de0$6400a8c0 at dave01>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Thanks, Joe.  I'll be sure to buy mine from Dearborn.

Dave Coleman

-----Original Message-----
From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of
GalaxiesNW at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:35 PM
To: galaxie at mix.twistedpair.ca; galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] [FordGalaxieClubofAmerica] speaking of
dearborninteriors



>From Trever at Dearborn reference upholstery......................


Joe DeTemple
GalaxiesNW
www.galaxiesnw.com <http://www.galaxiesnw.com/>


In a message dated 9/25/2008 9:40:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
tberge at dearbornclassics.com writes:


Hi Joe:
Good to hear from you.  There are actually a few manufacturers that make
the same product for 1962-1963 Galaxie XL.  We have our own tooling and
materials on these.   I personally did the research and development and
approved every piece so I know intimately what these parts are all
about.  You know about this as your car has one of these interiors so
you understand what is involved and what the finished product is like.
As far as I know most of our competitors are selling another brand as
our tends to be priced a little bit higher than the others.  I will say
I have seen the other interior products available from the  two other
manufacturers and ours is significantly better quality and is the
closest to the original.  It would take setting these side by side to
show you the differences.  What someone considers an average product
versus an excellent product is subjective but what I have found is most
Galaxie owners want things as close to original as possible and are
striving to get an excellent reproduction and that is the target we have
attempted to meet.  If someone is offering a lower price, I would
venture to say it is because they are not offering the same product
quality and are selling a lesser product as there are numerous
differences in material construction, color accuracy, sewing, mylar
design, warranty, etc. that makes a difference when the whole car is
complete.  I hope this explanation helps.  You are welcome to forward
this on.

Thanks,

Trevor Berge
Dearborn Classics







From terence.turner at lmco.com  Fri Sep 26 10:58:00 2008
From: terence.turner at lmco.com (Turner, Terence)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 06:58:00 -0700
Subject: [GALAXIE] updated progress page
In-Reply-To: <000a01c91f85$3bec1990$6400a8c0@dave01>
References: <c6c.349224d2.360d7a26@aol.com>
	<000a01c91f85$3bec1990$6400a8c0@dave01>
Message-ID: <F5FF3380E9F41648AF24B80C2AAF19AD086E8FF4@emss08m03.us.lmco.com>

Wow Dave!! The project looks incredible! As an owner of an original car
myself, I feel my late father looks down on me and smiles. I am sure
your Grandad feels the same way. Congrats! It looks great, and thanks
for showing us your pics.
 
Terry

________________________________

From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dave Coleman
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:09 PM
To: 'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'
Subject: [GALAXIE] updated progress page


This has been the most productive summer I have had working on my 62
Galaxie since I started the restoration over 5 years ago.  Maybe I will
be able to finish it in the next 2 or 3 years.
 
I just updated my progress page if anyone is interested.
 
Here is a link:
 
http://jamesthornton.com/wp/display/378/
 
Dave Coleman
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From terence.turner at lmco.com  Fri Sep 26 10:44:56 2008
From: terence.turner at lmco.com (Turner, Terence)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 06:44:56 -0700
Subject: [GALAXIE] speaking of dearborn interiors
In-Reply-To: <8CAEDEED6712AF9-1514-3932@webmail-nb11.sysops.aol.com>
References: <mailman.12195.1222398042.2167.galaxie@lists.twistedpair.ca>
	<8CAEDEED6712AF9-1514-3932@webmail-nb11.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <F5FF3380E9F41648AF24B80C2AAF19AD086E8FF2@emss08m03.us.lmco.com>

Good Morning all,
	I would like to say a word about Dearborn Classics, if I might.
I did a full up restoration on my own 63 Galaxie convertible back in
2005, and purchased many parts from various manufacturers, and NOS where
possible. The vast majority of my items were from Dearborn. A gentleman
by the name of Shawn worked extensively with me to complete the list. I
am a fanatical perfectionist about my car, and I insist on originality,
right down to the sealers and seat filler materials. 
	My father was the original owner of my car, and I had the
original seats, plus a spare set in order to ensure a quality
restoration. I have many original factory photographs of the seats, so I
know exactly how they looked like as they came off of the line, not too
tight, and not too loose. It must be right for me. I skeptically ordered
the black bench seat front and rear covers, and they are identical to
the original materials, including the seat backs. In order to make the
installation correct, I had them on and off at least 5 or 6 times, but
they were identical to the photos, and still are today. Living in
Southern California, the car is constantly exposed to high levels of
airborne contaminants and oxidizers, and of course, very high heat and
ultraviolet exposure. 
	I am an Engineer in specialty coatings, paints and polymer
development, so I do understand the research in the development of
stabilized, quality polymers, in this case seat covers. Dearborn's
covers couldn't have been better. After 3 or 4 years in the sun, they
are still like new.
	I don't have any stock in Dearborn, and am glad of you all
sharing your good as well as bad experiences with us here. I would be
the first to blast a bad outfit. But they have been very good to me, and
I can't complain about most of their products. And maybe most important,
they have been supportive of me when something wasn't right. I just
thought I would share this with you all. 
	Best luck withyour projects,  Terry Turner
						63 Galaxie Conv.

-----Original Message-----
From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of
larsofvt at aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 5:59 AM
To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
Cc: tberge at dearbornclassics.com
Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] speaking of dearborn interiors

Dave,

I don't believe that Trevor is saying that his supplier does not make
'62 XL kits for others, only that the materials they use is to Dearborn
requirements. It sounds like what he is talking about is the color and
grain of the vinyl. I wish I could see different sets in a side by side
comparison. Maybe I should fly over to Branson and take a poll!

Lars


Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:58:58 -0400
From: "Dave Coleman" <dave at 62ford.com>
Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] [FordGalaxieClubofAmerica] speaking of
    dearborninteriors
To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'" <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
Message-ID: <000001c91f83$d2c25de0$6400a8c0 at dave01>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Thanks, Joe.  I'll be sure to buy mine from Dearborn.

Dave Coleman

-----Original Message-----
From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of
GalaxiesNW at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:35 PM
To: galaxie at mix.twistedpair.ca; galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] [FordGalaxieClubofAmerica] speaking of
dearborninteriors



>From Trever at Dearborn reference upholstery......................


Joe DeTemple
GalaxiesNW
www.galaxiesnw.com <http://www.galaxiesnw.com/>


In a message dated 9/25/2008 9:40:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
tberge at dearbornclassics.com writes:


Hi Joe:
Good to hear from you.  There are actually a few manufacturers that make
the same product for 1962-1963 Galaxie XL.  We have our own tooling and
materials on these.   I personally did the research and development and
approved every piece so I know intimately what these parts are all
about.  You know about this as your car has one of these interiors so
you understand what is involved and what the finished product is like.
As far as I know most of our competitors are selling another brand as
our tends to be priced a little bit higher than the others.  I will say
I have seen the other interior products available from the  two other
manufacturers and ours is significantly better quality and is the
closest to the original.  It would take setting these side by side to
show you the differences.  What someone considers an average product
versus an excellent product is subjective but what I have found is most
Galaxie owners want things as close to original as possible and are
striving to get an excellent reproduction and that is the target we have
attempted to meet.  If someone is offering a lower price, I would
venture to say it is because they are not offering the same product
quality and are selling a lesser product as there are numerous
differences in material construction, color accuracy, sewing, mylar
design, warranty, etc. that makes a difference when the whole car is
complete.  I hope this explanation helps.  You are welcome to forward
this on.

Thanks,

Trevor Berge
Dearborn Classics






_______________________________________________
Galaxie mailing list
Galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
http://lists.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo.cgi/galaxie

From rlkelley1950 at verizon.net  Fri Sep 26 11:28:54 2008
From: rlkelley1950 at verizon.net (Buddy Kelley)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 07:28:54 -0700
Subject: [GALAXIE] speaking of dearborn interiors
In-Reply-To: <F5FF3380E9F41648AF24B80C2AAF19AD086E8FF2@emss08m03.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <0K7T008B0486DS70@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>

I have not bought any upholstery from Dearborn but I would like to.  The
problem is that my 63 R Code XL has a rose beige interior (a chick at the
time ordered the car) and no one makes a set for this car.  I have some
upholstery for the job but some of the colored vinyl strips are not
available.  Any chance for some help out there?  I would even consider
buying a nice used interior if someone had one.
Bob
63 Rose on Rose R-code
64 Fairlane 500 Hipo
64 Galaxie 500
64 Galaxie 500
64 Galaxie 500
63 Galaxie Cheapo Sedan 2 door post 
-----Original Message-----
From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Turner, Terence
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:45 AM
To: A list for Ford Galaxie owners.
Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] speaking of dearborn interiors

Good Morning all,
	I would like to say a word about Dearborn Classics, if I might.
I did a full up restoration on my own 63 Galaxie convertible back in
2005, and purchased many parts from various manufacturers, and NOS where
possible. The vast majority of my items were from Dearborn. A gentleman
by the name of Shawn worked extensively with me to complete the list. I
am a fanatical perfectionist about my car, and I insist on originality,
right down to the sealers and seat filler materials. 
	My father was the original owner of my car, and I had the
original seats, plus a spare set in order to ensure a quality
restoration. I have many original factory photographs of the seats, so I
know exactly how they looked like as they came off of the line, not too
tight, and not too loose. It must be right for me. I skeptically ordered
the black bench seat front and rear covers, and they are identical to
the original materials, including the seat backs. In order to make the
installation correct, I had them on and off at least 5 or 6 times, but
they were identical to the photos, and still are today. Living in
Southern California, the car is constantly exposed to high levels of
airborne contaminants and oxidizers, and of course, very high heat and
ultraviolet exposure. 
	I am an Engineer in specialty coatings, paints and polymer
development, so I do understand the research in the development of
stabilized, quality polymers, in this case seat covers. Dearborn's
covers couldn't have been better. After 3 or 4 years in the sun, they
are still like new.
	I don't have any stock in Dearborn, and am glad of you all
sharing your good as well as bad experiences with us here. I would be
the first to blast a bad outfit. But they have been very good to me, and
I can't complain about most of their products. And maybe most important,
they have been supportive of me when something wasn't right. I just
thought I would share this with you all. 
	Best luck withyour projects,  Terry Turner
						63 Galaxie Conv.

-----Original Message-----
From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of
larsofvt at aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 5:59 AM
To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
Cc: tberge at dearbornclassics.com
Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] speaking of dearborn interiors

Dave,

I don't believe that Trevor is saying that his supplier does not make
'62 XL kits for others, only that the materials they use is to Dearborn
requirements. It sounds like what he is talking about is the color and
grain of the vinyl. I wish I could see different sets in a side by side
comparison. Maybe I should fly over to Branson and take a poll!

Lars


Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:58:58 -0400
From: "Dave Coleman" <dave at 62ford.com>
Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] [FordGalaxieClubofAmerica] speaking of
    dearborninteriors
To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'" <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
Message-ID: <000001c91f83$d2c25de0$6400a8c0 at dave01>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Thanks, Joe.  I'll be sure to buy mine from Dearborn.

Dave Coleman

-----Original Message-----
From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of
GalaxiesNW at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:35 PM
To: galaxie at mix.twistedpair.ca; galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] [FordGalaxieClubofAmerica] speaking of
dearborninteriors



>From Trever at Dearborn reference upholstery......................


Joe DeTemple
GalaxiesNW
www.galaxiesnw.com <http://www.galaxiesnw.com/>


In a message dated 9/25/2008 9:40:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
tberge at dearbornclassics.com writes:


Hi Joe:
Good to hear from you.  There are actually a few manufacturers that make
the same product for 1962-1963 Galaxie XL.  We have our own tooling and
materials on these.   I personally did the research and development and
approved every piece so I know intimately what these parts are all
about.  You know about this as your car has one of these interiors so
you understand what is involved and what the finished product is like.
As far as I know most of our competitors are selling another brand as
our tends to be priced a little bit higher than the others.  I will say
I have seen the other interior products available from the  two other
manufacturers and ours is significantly better quality and is the
closest to the original.  It would take setting these side by side to
show you the differences.  What someone considers an average product
versus an excellent product is subjective but what I have found is most
Galaxie owners want things as close to original as possible and are
striving to get an excellent reproduction and that is the target we have
attempted to meet.  If someone is offering a lower price, I would
venture to say it is because they are not offering the same product
quality and are selling a lesser product as there are numerous
differences in material construction, color accuracy, sewing, mylar
design, warranty, etc. that makes a difference when the whole car is
complete.  I hope this explanation helps.  You are welcome to forward
this on.

Thanks,

Trevor Berge
Dearborn Classics






_______________________________________________
Galaxie mailing list
Galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
http://lists.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo.cgi/galaxie
_______________________________________________
Galaxie mailing list
Galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
http://lists.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo.cgi/galaxie


From mikhett at optonline.net  Fri Sep 26 12:33:32 2008
From: mikhett at optonline.net (mikhett)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:33:32 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] updated progress page
In-Reply-To: <000a01c91f85$3bec1990$6400a8c0@dave01>
References: <000a01c91f85$3bec1990$6400a8c0@dave01>
Message-ID: <48DD00CC.6050000@optonline.net>

Dave Coleman wrote:

> This has been the most productive summer I have had working on my 62 
> Galaxie since I started the restoration over 5 years ago.  Maybe I 
> will be able to finish it in the next 2 or 3 years.
>  
> I just updated my progress page if anyone is interested.
>  
> Here is a link:
>  
> http://jamesthornton.com/wp/display/378/
>  
> Dave Coleman
>
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>
great update, dave love the pics,.Mike

From geek97301 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 26 13:21:45 2008
From: geek97301 at yahoo.com (geek97301 at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:21:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GALAXIE] (Galaxie) Direct Fit Brakes
In-Reply-To: <86213.29073.qm@web45215.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <631803.66101.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Greg Perry did not write this email.  I know this because this email is coherent, even eloquent.  All evidence indicates that Greg Perry is incapable of writing such an email.  My theory is that Greg was getting so many complaints, he decided it would be a good investment to hire someone to write a well-constructed generic reply.

Having said that, I'd like to respond to "Greg's" points one by one.

>> I would like to take a moment to respond to these slanderous
>> allegations on a point by point basis.

Sorry "Greg", it's only slander if it isn't true.  You're just plain out of luck on this one.

>> First of all, I am not known for customer abuse.

Oh, that settles it!  Greg is a stand-up guy, because he says so.  Unfortunately, actions speak louder than words.

>> We offer 24/7 Technical Support and do indeed
>> answer our phones on that basis.

This must be a new policy, because never, not even once, did Greg answer his phone when I tried to call him.  Maybe he means that their phones are ON 24 hours a day?

>> I have not, at any time, changed the name of my business.

Lie.  When I bought my brake kit he was calling his company "Arizona Salvage" - something (unfortunately, I can't remember the whole thing).  At the time, he was also operating on ebay as "KymsCamaro".

> I had one issue with a Galaxy member whom I will not name.

Hi.

>> One bad apple does not spoil the whole bunch however.

How many does it take?  5?  10?  20?  What if the one bad apple is REALLY bad?  As in, you ignored that apple for months, stringing out what should have been a quick, simple process?  What if you treated that "one apple" so poorly, that even now it is pissed at you, four years later?

>> I do not deny my own mistakes.  Everybody makes them.  I
>> do not put the blame on the customer.

Wait, what?  That is exactly what you're doing right now!  In fact, you seem to be pretty expert at denying your mistakes.  Here are some of the excuses he gave me for why he wasn't contacting me, or my parts didn't arrive, or they arrived damaged (the list of problems goes on and on):

Cell phone damaged
No parts available - waiting for supplier
Death in family
Shipment supposedly lost by shipper (Fedex)
Unreliable employee
"Too busy"

>> If a part is manufacturally defective, I absolutely resolve the issue.  

... 4 months later.

>> [I] chose not to renew my membership after discovering that
>> the club was based upon bashing members and businesses.  

Yep, that's what we're all here for.  It has nothing at all to do with the cars.  In fact, we LOVE throwing our money away on junky parts from shady vendors, because it gives us more stuff to complain about!

"Greg" - No matter how far you bury your head in the sand, nor how loudly you protest and claim that I am your only dissatisfied customer, it won't change the fact that you are a very poor businessman, and have many dissatisfied customers.

Hugs and kisses,
John




--- On Thu, 9/25/08, Greg Perry <dfbrakes at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Greg Perry <dfbrakes at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [GALAXIE] (Galaxie) Direct Fit Brakes
> To: Galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 4:53 PM
> My name is Greg Perry, Owner of Direct Fit Brakes.? I would
> like to take a moment to respond to these slanderous
> allegations on a point by point basis.
> ?
> First of all, I am not known for customer abuse.??The
> first page of my installation instructions state that it is
> the responsibility of the person installing any brake
> component or kit to determine the suitability for their
> particular application.? I have?obviously not physically
> seen their car and must rely on what?I am told by the
> customer in order to determine if a particular application
> will work on their car.? It also states that if they are
> not sure how to safely use the kit, they should not install
> or use it.? We offer 24/7 Technical Support and do indeed
> answer our phones on that basis.? I do at times get
> frustrated with some people.? It is sometimes difficult to
> assist someone who will not listen to me when I am trying to
> help them with their issue.?? This allegation that I am
> known for customer abuse is ridiculous and not worth more
> time than I've already taken to defend it.
> ?
> I have not, at any time, changed the name of my business.?
> I refer you to the Arizona Corporation Commission at
> www.cc.state.az.us/divisions/corporations.? You can look up
> my company there.? The information speaks for itself.? 
> ?
> I have never been thrown off of eBay.? Again, you can
> research this information for yourself on eBay.? I invite
> you to check out my eBay feedback.? It speaks for itself as
> well.
> ?
> Please feel free to search the Better Business Bureau for
> my company.? In the last 3 years there has been a total of
> 1 complaint.? I did not answer the complaint because the
> issue was resolved between the customer and I.? Therefore,
> the allegation that there have been numerous complaints is
> again, ridiculous.
> ?
> I had one issue with a Galaxy member whom I will not
> name.? One bad apple does not spoil the whole bunch however
> I have better things to do, like run my business and provide
> technical support to those that desire it and are open to
> it.? I was not thrown out of your club.? I had a paid
> membership and chose not to renew my membership after
> discovering that the club was based upon bashing members and
> businesses.? 
> ?
> I do not use caller ID to screen calls.? I have office
> staff, being Kym or Renee, who answer the phones from
> 7am?to 4pm Monday through Friday.? I have a mechanical
> staff that are quite capable of answering any technical
> support issues in the event that I am unavailable.? We not
> only sell the kits, we install them every day.? 
> ?
> I do not deny my own mistakes.? Everybody makes them.? I
> do not put the blame on the customer.? However, there are
> certainly issues of customer error.? Let's be
> realistic!Surprisingly, the most trouble I have are with
> actual mechanic shops.? 
> ?
> I have a return policy and abide by it.? I certainly have
> done refunds.? What business hasn't.? If a part is
> manufacturally defective, I absolutely resolve the issue.? 
> ?
> I have sold hundreds of these kits.?In fact, many have
> been sold to your own Galaxy club members.? We also do Disc
> Brake Conversions for just about every car made.? 
> ?
> We invite you to give us a call or visit our website at
> www.dfbrakes.com.
> ?
> Thank you,
> ?
> Greg Perry
> Owner
> Direct Fit Brakes
> ?
> ?
> ?
> ORIGINAL POSTING:
> ?
> "Greg Perry, the owner of Direct Fit Brakes, is known
> for customer abuse. He has changred the name of the company
> many times, has been thrown offf Ebay. He has had many
> complaints filed againt him by customers throught the
> Arizona AG office and BBB. Greg Perry knows most of his
> customers are out of state, therefore the Attorney General
> will do little if anything. The Better Buisness Bureau is
> not a legal entity and has no power. Greg Perry was thrown
> out of the FGCoA.
> ?
> Greg Perry will offer little assiatance. Greg Perry will
> deny any mistakes on his part any try to put the blame on
> you.??By using caller ID, Greg Perry will stop taking your
> calls. 
> ?
> Greg Perry will not take the parts back and offer a
> refund"
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> http://lists.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo.cgi/galaxie


      

From wstruntz at chartermi.net  Fri Sep 26 14:25:00 2008
From: wstruntz at chartermi.net (Wally Struntz)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:25:00 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] speaking of dearborn interiors
References: <0K7T008B0486DS70@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <19726A34D6C94388A34202CE4FC6E935@wally>

Bob
Try SMS Auto Interiors I got door panels that are a exact match nice people 
to deal with also
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Buddy Kelley" <rlkelley1950 at verizon.net>
To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'" <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] speaking of dearborn interiors


>I have not bought any upholstery from Dearborn but I would like to.  The
> problem is that my 63 R Code XL has a rose beige interior (a chick at the
> time ordered the car) and no one makes a set for this car.  I have some
> upholstery for the job but some of the colored vinyl strips are not
> available.  Any chance for some help out there?  I would even consider
> buying a nice used interior if someone had one.
> Bob
> 63 Rose on Rose R-code
> 64 Fairlane 500 Hipo
> 64 Galaxie 500
> 64 Galaxie 500
> 64 Galaxie 500
> 63 Galaxie Cheapo Sedan 2 door post
> -----Original Message-----
> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Turner, Terence
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:45 AM
> To: A list for Ford Galaxie owners.
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] speaking of dearborn interiors
>
> Good Morning all,
> I would like to say a word about Dearborn Classics, if I might.
> I did a full up restoration on my own 63 Galaxie convertible back in
> 2005, and purchased many parts from various manufacturers, and NOS where
> possible. The vast majority of my items were from Dearborn. A gentleman
> by the name of Shawn worked extensively with me to complete the list. I
> am a fanatical perfectionist about my car, and I insist on originality,
> right down to the sealers and seat filler materials.
> My father was the original owner of my car, and I had the
> original seats, plus a spare set in order to ensure a quality
> restoration. I have many original factory photographs of the seats, so I
> know exactly how they looked like as they came off of the line, not too
> tight, and not too loose. It must be right for me. I skeptically ordered
> the black bench seat front and rear covers, and they are identical to
> the original materials, including the seat backs. In order to make the
> installation correct, I had them on and off at least 5 or 6 times, but
> they were identical to the photos, and still are today. Living in
> Southern California, the car is constantly exposed to high levels of
> airborne contaminants and oxidizers, and of course, very high heat and
> ultraviolet exposure.
> I am an Engineer in specialty coatings, paints and polymer
> development, so I do understand the research in the development of
> stabilized, quality polymers, in this case seat covers. Dearborn's
> covers couldn't have been better. After 3 or 4 years in the sun, they
> are still like new.
> I don't have any stock in Dearborn, and am glad of you all
> sharing your good as well as bad experiences with us here. I would be
> the first to blast a bad outfit. But they have been very good to me, and
> I can't complain about most of their products. And maybe most important,
> they have been supportive of me when something wasn't right. I just
> thought I would share this with you all.
> Best luck withyour projects,  Terry Turner
> 63 Galaxie Conv.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of
> larsofvt at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 5:59 AM
> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> Cc: tberge at dearbornclassics.com
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] speaking of dearborn interiors
>
> Dave,
>
> I don't believe that Trevor is saying that his supplier does not make
> '62 XL kits for others, only that the materials they use is to Dearborn
> requirements. It sounds like what he is talking about is the color and
> grain of the vinyl. I wish I could see different sets in a side by side
> comparison. Maybe I should fly over to Branson and take a poll!
>
> Lars
>
>
> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:58:58 -0400
> From: "Dave Coleman" <dave at 62ford.com>
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] [FordGalaxieClubofAmerica] speaking of
>    dearborninteriors
> To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'" <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
> Message-ID: <000001c91f83$d2c25de0$6400a8c0 at dave01>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Thanks, Joe.  I'll be sure to buy mine from Dearborn.
>
> Dave Coleman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of
> GalaxiesNW at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:35 PM
> To: galaxie at mix.twistedpair.ca; galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] [FordGalaxieClubofAmerica] speaking of
> dearborninteriors
>
>
>
>>From Trever at Dearborn reference upholstery......................
>
>
> Joe DeTemple
> GalaxiesNW
> www.galaxiesnw.com <http://www.galaxiesnw.com/>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/25/2008 9:40:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> tberge at dearbornclassics.com writes:
>
>
> Hi Joe:
> Good to hear from you.  There are actually a few manufacturers that make
> the same product for 1962-1963 Galaxie XL.  We have our own tooling and
> materials on these.   I personally did the research and development and
> approved every piece so I know intimately what these parts are all
> about.  You know about this as your car has one of these interiors so
> you understand what is involved and what the finished product is like.
> As far as I know most of our competitors are selling another brand as
> our tends to be priced a little bit higher than the others.  I will say
> I have seen the other interior products available from the  two other
> manufacturers and ours is significantly better quality and is the
> closest to the original.  It would take setting these side by side to
> show you the differences.  What someone considers an average product
> versus an excellent product is subjective but what I have found is most
> Galaxie owners want things as close to original as possible and are
> striving to get an excellent reproduction and that is the target we have
> attempted to meet.  If someone is offering a lower price, I would
> venture to say it is because they are not offering the same product
> quality and are selling a lesser product as there are numerous
> differences in material construction, color accuracy, sewing, mylar
> design, warranty, etc. that makes a difference when the whole car is
> complete.  I hope this explanation helps.  You are welcome to forward
> this on.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Trevor Berge
> Dearborn Classics
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From nancybarnes at juno.com  Fri Sep 26 14:45:45 2008
From: nancybarnes at juno.com (Nancy E. Barnes)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:45:45 GMT
Subject: [GALAXIE] updated progress page-very interesting
Message-ID: <20080926.104545.8896.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>

good job - both in the work and in your presentation with documentation
Charles P.("Red") Baker & Nancy E. Barnes


-- mikhett <mikhett at optonline.net> wrote:
Dave Coleman wrote:

> This has been the most productive summer I have had working on my 62 
> Galaxie since I started the restoration over 5 years ago.  Maybe I 
> will be able to finish it in the next 2 or 3 years.
>  
> I just updated my progress page if anyone is interested.
>  
> Here is a link:
>  
> http://jamesthornton.com/wp/display/378/
>  
> Dave Coleman
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From terence.turner at lmco.com  Fri Sep 26 15:22:45 2008
From: terence.turner at lmco.com (Turner, Terence)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:22:45 -0700
Subject: [GALAXIE] speaking of dearborn interiors
In-Reply-To: <19726A34D6C94388A34202CE4FC6E935@wally>
References: <0K7T008B0486DS70@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>
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Message-ID: <F5FF3380E9F41648AF24B80C2AAF19AD086E8FF7@emss08m03.us.lmco.com>

Now, I will say this, I don't like the Mylar center inserts on the
replacement door panels for the 63 Galaxies. The chrome faced mylar is
loose and "baggy" looking, not like the original. Maybe it needs a very
thin layer of filler material, such as loose weave synthetic padding, I
don't know. If they could get this right, the panels would be great!!
But, if it's the best that we can get, oh well. One thing I would love
to see someone reproduce, is convertible Galaxie 500, not just XL, 1/4
panel arm rest vinyl covers,upper and lower. It looks like they do when
you look at the Dearborn catalog, but when I ask, only the carpeted ones
for the XL.
					Terry   

-----Original Message-----
From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Wally Struntz
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 10:25 AM
To: A list for Ford Galaxie owners.
Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] speaking of dearborn interiors

Bob
Try SMS Auto Interiors I got door panels that are a exact match nice
people to deal with also
----- Original Message -----
From: "Buddy Kelley" <rlkelley1950 at verizon.net>
To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'" <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] speaking of dearborn interiors


>I have not bought any upholstery from Dearborn but I would like to.  
>The  problem is that my 63 R Code XL has a rose beige interior (a chick

>at the  time ordered the car) and no one makes a set for this car.  I 
>have some  upholstery for the job but some of the colored vinyl strips 
>are not  available.  Any chance for some help out there?  I would even 
>consider  buying a nice used interior if someone had one.
> Bob
> 63 Rose on Rose R-code
> 64 Fairlane 500 Hipo
> 64 Galaxie 500
> 64 Galaxie 500
> 64 Galaxie 500
> 63 Galaxie Cheapo Sedan 2 door post
> -----Original Message-----
> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Turner, 
>Terence
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:45 AM
> To: A list for Ford Galaxie owners.
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] speaking of dearborn interiors
>
> Good Morning all,
> I would like to say a word about Dearborn Classics, if I might.
> I did a full up restoration on my own 63 Galaxie convertible back in 
> 2005, and purchased many parts from various manufacturers, and NOS 
> where possible. The vast majority of my items were from Dearborn. A 
> gentleman by the name of Shawn worked extensively with me to complete 
> the list. I am a fanatical perfectionist about my car, and I insist on

> originality, right down to the sealers and seat filler materials.
> My father was the original owner of my car, and I had the original 
> seats, plus a spare set in order to ensure a quality restoration. I 
> have many original factory photographs of the seats, so I know exactly

> how they looked like as they came off of the line, not too tight, and 
> not too loose. It must be right for me. I skeptically ordered the 
> black bench seat front and rear covers, and they are identical to the 
> original materials, including the seat backs. In order to make the 
> installation correct, I had them on and off at least 5 or 6 times, but

> they were identical to the photos, and still are today. Living in 
> Southern California, the car is constantly exposed to high levels of 
> airborne contaminants and oxidizers, and of course, very high heat and

> ultraviolet exposure.
> I am an Engineer in specialty coatings, paints and polymer 
> development, so I do understand the research in the development of 
> stabilized, quality polymers, in this case seat covers. Dearborn's 
> covers couldn't have been better. After 3 or 4 years in the sun, they 
> are still like new.
> I don't have any stock in Dearborn, and am glad of you all sharing 
> your good as well as bad experiences with us here. I would be the 
> first to blast a bad outfit. But they have been very good to me, and I

> can't complain about most of their products. And maybe most important,

> they have been supportive of me when something wasn't right. I just 
> thought I would share this with you all.
> Best luck withyour projects,  Terry Turner
> 63 Galaxie Conv.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of 
> larsofvt at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 5:59 AM
> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> Cc: tberge at dearbornclassics.com
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] speaking of dearborn interiors
>
> Dave,
>
> I don't believe that Trevor is saying that his supplier does not make
> '62 XL kits for others, only that the materials they use is to 
> Dearborn requirements. It sounds like what he is talking about is the 
> color and grain of the vinyl. I wish I could see different sets in a 
> side by side comparison. Maybe I should fly over to Branson and take a
poll!
>
> Lars
>
>
> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:58:58 -0400
> From: "Dave Coleman" <dave at 62ford.com>
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] [FordGalaxieClubofAmerica] speaking of
>    dearborninteriors
> To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'" <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
> Message-ID: <000001c91f83$d2c25de0$6400a8c0 at dave01>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Thanks, Joe.  I'll be sure to buy mine from Dearborn.
>
> Dave Coleman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of 
> GalaxiesNW at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:35 PM
> To: galaxie at mix.twistedpair.ca; galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] [FordGalaxieClubofAmerica] speaking of 
> dearborninteriors
>
>
>
>>From Trever at Dearborn reference upholstery......................
>
>
> Joe DeTemple
> GalaxiesNW
> www.galaxiesnw.com <http://www.galaxiesnw.com/>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/25/2008 9:40:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
> tberge at dearbornclassics.com writes:
>
>
> Hi Joe:
> Good to hear from you.  There are actually a few manufacturers that 
> make the same product for 1962-1963 Galaxie XL.  We have our own
tooling and
> materials on these.   I personally did the research and development
and
> approved every piece so I know intimately what these parts are all 
> about.  You know about this as your car has one of these interiors so 
> you understand what is involved and what the finished product is like.
> As far as I know most of our competitors are selling another brand as 
> our tends to be priced a little bit higher than the others.  I will 
> say I have seen the other interior products available from the  two 
> other manufacturers and ours is significantly better quality and is 
> the closest to the original.  It would take setting these side by side

> to show you the differences.  What someone considers an average 
> product versus an excellent product is subjective but what I have 
> found is most Galaxie owners want things as close to original as 
> possible and are striving to get an excellent reproduction and that is

> the target we have attempted to meet.  If someone is offering a lower 
> price, I would venture to say it is because they are not offering the 
> same product quality and are selling a lesser product as there are 
> numerous differences in material construction, color accuracy, sewing,

> mylar design, warranty, etc. that makes a difference when the whole 
> car is complete.  I hope this explanation helps.  You are welcome to 
> forward this on.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Trevor Berge
> Dearborn Classics
>
>
>
>
>
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From nancybarnes at juno.com  Fri Sep 26 16:53:59 2008
From: nancybarnes at juno.com (Nancy E. Barnes)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:53:59 GMT
Subject: [GALAXIE] speaking of dearborn interiors
Message-ID: <20080926.125359.4299.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com>

Replacements - just a part of the problems with restoration...it is a given, a fact of life.
We have a 65 Galaxie 500 convertible, we think we may have a corner on impossible to find parts...correct me if we are mistaken.

Charles P.("Red") Baker & Nancy E. Barnes
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From Biggalaxie at aol.com  Fri Sep 26 17:03:44 2008
From: Biggalaxie at aol.com (Biggalaxie at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:03:44 EDT
Subject: [GALAXIE] Direct Fit Brakes:
Message-ID: <c36.3bbf6eea.360e9a20@aol.com>

     
 
I helped a friend install one of his kits. it looked really good  until we 
fully unpacked it.Although the rotors were the same size they had  two different 
bolt patterns. After waiting like what seems forever he  finally got the 
right part. we put them on and then came the calipers,  they had the wrong bolts 
to mount them (not even close). after getting  them from another source we ran 
the new lines and bled the brakes (or at  least tried) tried to stop the car 
and it pulled hard to one side. turns  out the caliper had more pits and 
craters than the moon. Again after an  eternity the part was replaced, to bad they 
sent the wrong side. after  forever and a day he finally received the right 
side but the wrong  caliper. after going to the parts house and getting the right 
one he sent  the wrong one back to them and awhile later he actually got the 
right one  shipped and it is still on his garage shelf.
 
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From geek97301 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 26 17:42:04 2008
From: geek97301 at yahoo.com (geek97301 at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:42:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GALAXIE] Direct Fit Brakes:
Message-ID: <735829.47324.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey, are you that "one issue with a Galaxy member" Greg was talking about?  You guys are sure coming out of the woodwork all of a sudden!

I'm going to side with Greg on this one.  This sounds like yet another one of those "issues of customer error" he mentioned in his email.  You probably "are not sure how to safely use the kit".  Maybe if you were willing to accept some of that awesome "24/7 Technical Support" Greg provides, you would have had more luck.



--- On Fri, 9/26/08, Biggalaxie at aol.com <Biggalaxie at aol.com> wrote:

> From: Biggalaxie at aol.com <Biggalaxie at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Direct Fit Brakes:
> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
> Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 1:03 PM
> I helped a friend install one of his kits. it looked really
> good  until we 
> fully unpacked it.Although the rotors were the same size
> they had  two different 
> bolt patterns. After waiting like what seems forever he 
> finally got the 
> right part. we put them on and then came the calipers, 
> they had the wrong bolts 
> to mount them (not even close). after getting  them from
> another source we ran 
> the new lines and bled the brakes (or at  least tried)
> tried to stop the car 
> and it pulled hard to one side. turns  out the caliper had
> more pits and 
> craters than the moon. Again after an  eternity the part
> was replaced, to bad they 
> sent the wrong side. after  forever and a day he finally
> received the right 
> side but the wrong  caliper. after going to the parts house
> and getting the right 
> one he sent  the wrong one back to them and awhile later he
> actually got the 
> right one  shipped and it is still on his garage shelf.
>  
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>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mika at aarnio.com  Sat Sep 27 03:06:10 2008
From: mika at aarnio.com (aarnio mika / mainoskeskus.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:06:10 +0300
Subject: [GALAXIE] speaking of dearborn interiors
In-Reply-To: <20080926.125359.4299.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20080926.125359.4299.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <018E3343C7A5445EB8403BB5A11298B7@quad>

try sms fabrics for all of your upholstery needs.  Super quality stuff ! 

Mika 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nancy E. Barnes 
  To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca 
  Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 10:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] speaking of dearborn interiors


  Replacements - just a part of the problems with restoration...it is a given, a fact of life.

  We have a 65 Galaxie 500 convertible, we think we may have a corner on impossible to find parts...correct me if we are mistaken.

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From mercurycat21 at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 28 13:00:31 2008
From: mercurycat21 at hotmail.com (kenneth gucker)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:00:31 -0400
Subject: [GALAXIE] Parting out a 1966 Galaxie 7 Litre
In-Reply-To: <018E3343C7A5445EB8403BB5A11298B7@quad>
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I do not know if this is the correct place to do this, but I thought I would let other Galaxie owners know that I am in the process of parting out my parts 7 Litre and if any one needs any 66 parts to let me know. I also have a 64 top frame if any one needs.
If this is not the place to do this, I am sorry.
Thanks
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From director at galaxieclub.com  Sun Sep 28 15:00:57 2008
From: director at galaxieclub.com (Ford Galaxie Club of America)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:00:57 -0500
Subject: [GALAXIE] Parting out a 1966 Galaxie 7 Litre
In-Reply-To: <BAY128-W374E8AFC0919ED9E912D40DD410@phx.gbl>
References: <018E3343C7A5445EB8403BB5A11298B7@quad>
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There was a guy advertising that he needed that top frame on the Ford 
Galaxie Club of America website...

http://www.galaxieclub.com/member-ads.html




At 11:00 AM 9/28/2008, you wrote:

>I do not know if this is the correct place to do this, but I thought I 
>would let other Galaxie owners know that I am in the process of parting 
>out my parts 7 Litre and if any one needs any 66 parts to let me know. I 
>also have a 64 top frame if any one needs.
>If this is not the place to do this, I am sorry.
>Thanks
>Ken
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