[GALAXIE] More on starting problem

[Turner, Terence]

When the dimming situation is in effect, can you do a voltage check,
first across the batteryto establish a baseline, then from the battery
terminal to the ignition circuit, where it connects to the ignition
switch? I believe it's the battery wire, which is heavy gauge yellow
from what I remember. Is it possible that you have resistance where the
solenoid stack up is, the "hot" side where the battery connects? Maybe
the wire that is usually sandwiched between the cable and solenoid,
which is the "battery" wire for the ignition circuit. You shouldn't see
a significant drop in voltage.
						Terry Turner 
						63 Galaxie Conv.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick Barnes
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:33 AM
To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
Subject: [GALAXIE] More on starting problem

First, thanks to all who have responded with advice, I really appreciate
it!

The problem still exists, here's what I've done to try to solve it in
addition to the new starter and solenoid. All cables have been removed,
inspected and all connections cleaned including all cable ends, starter
terminal, engine block where ground connects, battery posts ect. All
connections are tight. Battery is 675 cca and has been more than
powerful enough until this came up. I have also connected jumper cables
from battery to solenoid, solenoid to starter, battery to ground. I have
connecter jumper cables  from my 2007 silverado to battery and also
directly to solenoid and to engine block. Triggered the solenoid  with
jumper from batt positive to solenoid. Nothing has had any effect,
problem remains the same. It takes time to try each of these because
once the starter begins to turn properly the problem disappears until it
has set for several hours. Here's a new wrinkle. This morning I 1st
turned on the headlights and they were very dim, tried the starter for a
few seconds, same thing, 1st nothing, then solenoid clicked. At that
point I turned off ignition and the headlights slowly brightened, hit
the starter again and it worked normally! Obviously there is a bad
connection somewhere in the system that seems to make contact after
demand is put on it, but where in the h--l is it!

Again thanks to all for your input,

Regards,
Dick




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> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:42:14 -0700
> From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
> To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'" <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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> Sorry about the poor tigger information, but triggering the solenoid
from
> the solenoid is the way to check if the solenoid is funky.
>
>
>
> MM
>
>
>
>  _____
>
> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dennis W
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 3:27 PM
> To: A list for Ford Galaxie owners.
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>
>
>
> Mark, you cannot cross the 2 'little posts' to make the solenoid to
work,
> connecting the front (closest to the positive post)  'little post' to
the
> battery post will.
>
> Dick, you can't fix it by 'throwing parts at it'. The initial
description
> made me think of a slow-to-respond solenoid, but if it has been
replaced
> that may not be the problem. It might be a positive cable or
connection 
> from
> the battery, or maybe a bad ground to the solenoid, but I'm still
thinking
> it's related to the slow-to-respond solenoid.
>
> Dennis in eastexas
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Mark E. Mooney <mark at moonware.net>
wrote:
>
>
> Yes, the two little posts, when crossed will make the solenoid
trigger.
>
> If it triggers and the starter spins quickly, the problem is on the 
> "trigger
> the solenoid side of things", if it acts the same way, it is on the
large
> amperage side, either at the solenoid, the starter ground (another
likely
> culprit) or the connections at the battery.
>
> Do take it out of gear, and don't stand in front of it.... <G>
>
> MM
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick Barnes
>
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:42 AM
> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>
> Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>
> Mark ,
>
> By "closing the small circuit" do you mean connecting a jumper across
the 
> 2
> small terminals on the solenoid? Would I do this before attempting to 
> start?
>
> I know this is probably pretty basic, but I don't want to screw
anything 
> up
> worse than it already is. If that works how would you suggest I
correct 
> the
> problem--new ignition switch?
>
> Thanks, Dick>
>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400
>> From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
>> Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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>> I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold.
When 
>> I
>
>> turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding the
key
>> on start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter.
continuing
>> to hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn
very
>> slowly , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the
engine
>> starts there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have
>> replaced the starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I
have
>> checked cables by running jumper cables from battery to relay,
battery to
>> ground and relay to starter. Where do I go next????
>> Any help appreciated.
>> Rich
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>> If you close the small circuit at the solenoid what happens?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds like the key-to-solenoid circuit is crusty.
>>
>>
>>
>> MM
>>
>>
>>
>>  _____
>>
>> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick
Barnes
>> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:06 AM
>> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold.
When 
>> I
>> turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding the
key
>> on
>> start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter. continuing
to
>> hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn very
>> slowly
>> , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine
starts
>> there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have
replaced 
>> the
>> starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have checked
>> cables
>> by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground and
>> relay
>> to starter. Where do I go next????
>> Any help appreciated.
>> Rich
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> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
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> What about the cable from solenoid to starter needing cleaned?  Or
ground 
> cable maybe on the block?
>
> Deb
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> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:05:09 EDT
> From: Djgrenoble at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
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> Try turning on your headlights before you try to start the engine next

> time
> and see if there bright or dim and what happens when you try to start
the
> engine. "The battery has a full charge," with a volt/ohmn meter or a
load 
> tester?
> You might try a jumper battery in parallel with the car battery and/or

> alone.
> I've had batteries go bad inside between the plates and you can get
some 
> crazy
> symptoms.
>    Doug
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> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:28:40 -0500
> From: John S Carter <jsc.obc at juno.com>
> Subject: [GALAXIE] starter problems
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> dennis has it right probably.  it can be the circuit from the switch
to
> the solenoid but is probably a poor ground at the solenoid or the
> solenoid..  you can go from big post to big post with jumper cables to
> eliminate teh solenoid and if it is ok then look at the small
terminals.
> one should have an "i" over it. that is the ignition bypass wire to
the
> points. the other wire is the solenoid engagement wire. go from
battery
> side of solenoid to that little terminal with an old screwdriver and
that
> should check the inside connections of solenoids. some replacement
> solenoids are imported and haave poor contact washers inside.
> also a voltmeter can be handy. check voltage at the starter side of
the
> solenoid as it is engaged and see if voltage is lower than 9 volts.
that
> will indicate voltage loss somewhere-- poor battery(too small) or poor
> connections or poor solenoid connections.  i had a similar problem and
it
> was simply a loose battery at the solenoid. it looked tight and i only
> found it when i accidentally pushed on the cable and it twisted.
>
> good luck.
> jc
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:26:51 -0300
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>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:50:09 -0500
>> From: "Dale" <daleg at wamego.net>
>> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
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>> Is the connection between the battery posts and cable ends clean and
>> solid?
>> I've been baffled with "battery" problems that were simple conection
>> problems. And
>> mainly right at the battery. Have you removed the cables at the
>> battery, cleaned both
>> posts and cable ends and reconnected? You didn't mention checking
>> this. So just
>> asking. If you just clamped the jumper cables over the installed
>> cable ends on the
>> battery when bypassing the battery cables, then that might be the
>> problem.
>>
>> What is the CCA/CA rating of this battery? Is it "big" enough for
>> your FE engine? Just
>> another thought. I recently replaced a "small" 425CA battery on my
>> work car ( 4cyl )
>> when I was having starting problems. Battery wasn't too old either,
>> just too small for the
>> job.
>>
>> Dale
>>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>>   From: Dick Barnes
>>   To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>>   Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 12:06 PM
>>   Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>>
>>
>>   I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is
>> cold. When I turn the key there is initially no response at all.
>> After holding the key on start for a few seconds the relay will
>> click,then chatter. continuing to hold the switch on start results
>> in the starter begining to turn very slowly , then increase in speed
>> until it turns normally. Once the engine starts there is no further
>> problem until the next cold start. I have replaced the starter motor
>> and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have checked cables by
>> running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground and
>> relay to starter. Where do I go next????
>>   Any help appreciated.
>>   Rich
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>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:41:43 -0400
>> From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
>> Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>> To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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>> Mark ,
>>
>> By "closing the small circuit" do you mean connecting a jumper
>> across the 2
>> small terminals on the solenoid? Would I do this before attempting
>> to start?
>> I know this is probably pretty basic, but I don't want to screw
>> anything up
>> worse than it already is. If that works how would you suggest I
>> correct the
>> problem--new ignition switch?
>>
>> Thanks, Dick>
>>
>> > Message: 4
>> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400
>> > From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
>> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> > To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
>> > Message-ID: <006901c914f9$df36c2d0$5cd52ed8 at New>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
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>> > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is
>> cold. When I
>> > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding
>> the key
>> > on start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter.
>> continuing
>> > to hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to
>> turn very
>> > slowly , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the
>> engine
>> > starts there is no further problem until the next cold start. I
>> have
>> > replaced the starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged,
>> I have
>> > checked cables by running jumper cables from battery to relay,
>> battery to
>> > ground and relay to starter. Where do I go next????
>> > Any help appreciated.
>> > Rich
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>> > Message: 5
>> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:39:07 -0700
>> > From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> > To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'"
>> <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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>> > If you close the small circuit at the solenoid what happens?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sounds like the key-to-solenoid circuit is crusty.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > MM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  _____
>> >
>> > From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick
>> Barnes
>> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:06 AM
>> > To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is
>> cold. When I
>> > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding
>> the key
>> > on
>> > start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter.
>> continuing to
>> > hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn
>> very
>> > slowly
>> > , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine
>> starts
>> > there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have
>> replaced the
>> > starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have
>> checked
>> > cables
>> > by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground
>> and
>> > relay
>> > to starter. Where do I go next????
>> > Any help appreciated.
>> > Rich
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>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:45:27 -0700
>> From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
>> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>> To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'"
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>>
>> Yes, the two little posts, when crossed will make the solenoid
>> trigger.
>>
>> If it triggers and the starter spins quickly, the problem is on the
>> "trigger
>> the solenoid side of things", if it acts the same way, it is on the
>> large
>> amperage side, either at the solenoid, the starter ground (another
>> likely
>> culprit) or the connections at the battery.
>>
>> Do take it out of gear, and don't stand in front of it.... <G>
>>
>> MM
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick
>> Barnes
>> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:42 AM
>> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>>
>> Mark ,
>>
>> By "closing the small circuit" do you mean connecting a jumper
>> across the 2
>> small terminals on the solenoid? Would I do this before attempting
>> to start?
>>
>> I know this is probably pretty basic, but I don't want to screw
>> anything up
>> worse than it already is. If that works how would you suggest I
>> correct the
>> problem--new ignition switch?
>>
>> Thanks, Dick>
>>
>> > Message: 4
>> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400
>> > From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
>> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> > To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
>> > Message-ID: <006901c914f9$df36c2d0$5cd52ed8 at New>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>> >
>> > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is
>> cold. When I
>>
>> > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding
>> the key
>> > on start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter.
>> continuing
>> > to hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to
>> turn very
>> > slowly , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the
>> engine
>> > starts there is no further problem until the next cold start. I
>> have
>> > replaced the starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged,
>> I have
>> > checked cables by running jumper cables from battery to relay,
>> battery to
>> > ground and relay to starter. Where do I go next????
>> > Any help appreciated.
>> > Rich
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>> > Message: 5
>> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:39:07 -0700
>> > From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> > To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'"
>> <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
>> > Message-ID: <00e501c914fe$75c9d4e0$0901a8c0 at MooneyGraphic>
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>> > If you close the small circuit at the solenoid what happens?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sounds like the key-to-solenoid circuit is crusty.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > MM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  _____
>> >
>> > From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick
>> Barnes
>> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:06 AM
>> > To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is
>> cold. When I
>> > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding
>> the key
>> > on
>> > start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter.
>> continuing to
>> > hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn
>> very
>> > slowly
>> > , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine
>> starts
>> > there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have
>> replaced the
>> > starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have
>> checked
>> > cables
>> > by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground
>> and
>> > relay
>> > to starter. Where do I go next????
>> > Any help appreciated.
>> > Rich
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:02:36 EDT
>> From: GALAXIERUS at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
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>> After reading the other responses, I must admit, that is a strange
>> sounding
>> problem.
>>   To test the solenoid and starter, I pull the small connector that
>> is
>> closest to the battery connection, and jumper across it. This will
>> activate the
>> solenoid and thus the starter, if all is well, there.
>>   If this works, you have a wiring problem or bad switch in the
>> dash.
>>   The engine will not start when you jump this terminal, unless you
>> have the
>> key turned on.
>>   Still, make sure it is not in gear.
>>   Take two beers, and call me in the morning!
>>
>> Russ Owens
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 9/12/2008 1:28:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> senrab at pathwaynet.com writes:
>>
>> I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is cold.
>> When  I
>> turn the key there is initially no response at all. After holding
>> the key on
>> start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter.
>> continuing to hold
>> the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn very
>> slowly , then
>>  increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the engine starts
>> there is
>> no  further problem until the next cold start. I have replaced the
>> starter
>> motor  and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have checked cables
>> by running
>> jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to ground and relay to
>> starter.
>> Where do I go next????
>> Any help appreciated.
>> Rich
>>
>>
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>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:26:48 -0500
>> From: "Dennis W" <betnden at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>> To: "A list for Ford Galaxie owners."
>> <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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>> Mark, you cannot cross the 2 'little posts' to make the solenoid to
>> work,
>> connecting the front (closest to the positive post)  'little post'
>> to the
>> battery post will.
>>
>> Dick, you can't fix it by 'throwing parts at it'. The initial
>> description
>> made me think of a slow-to-respond solenoid, but if it has been
>> replaced
>> that may not be the problem. It might be a positive cable or
>> connection from
>> the battery, or maybe a bad ground to the solenoid, but I'm still
>> thinking
>> it's related to the slow-to-respond solenoid.
>>
>> Dennis in eastexas
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Mark E. Mooney <mark at moonware.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Yes, the two little posts, when crossed will make the solenoid
>> trigger.
>> >
>> > If it triggers and the starter spins quickly, the problem is on
>> the
>> > "trigger
>> > the solenoid side of things", if it acts the same way, it is on
>> the large
>> > amperage side, either at the solenoid, the starter ground (another
>> likely
>> > culprit) or the connections at the battery.
>> >
>> > Do take it out of gear, and don't stand in front of it.... <G>
>> >
>> > MM
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick
>> Barnes
>> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:42 AM
>> > To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > Subject: [GALAXIE] Re Starting Problem
>> >
>> > Mark ,
>> >
>> > By "closing the small circuit" do you mean connecting a jumper
>> across the 2
>> > small terminals on the solenoid? Would I do this before attempting
>> to
>> > start?
>> >
>> > I know this is probably pretty basic, but I don't want to screw
>> anything up
>> > worse than it already is. If that works how would you suggest I
>> correct the
>> > problem--new ignition switch?
>> >
>> > Thanks, Dick>
>> >
>> > > Message: 4
>> > > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400
>> > > From: "Dick Barnes" <senrab at pathwaynet.com>
>> > > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> > > To: <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
>> > > Message-ID: <006901c914f9$df36c2d0$5cd52ed8 at New>
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>> > >
>> > > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is
>> cold. When
>> > I
>> >
>> > > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After
>> holding the key
>> > > on start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter.
>> continuing
>> > > to hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to
>> turn very
>> > > slowly , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once
>> the engine
>> > > starts there is no further problem until the next cold start. I
>> have
>> > > replaced the starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully
>> charged, I have
>> > > checked cables by running jumper cables from battery to relay,
>> battery to
>> > > ground and relay to starter. Where do I go next????
>> > > Any help appreciated.
>> > > Rich
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>> > > Message: 5
>> > > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:39:07 -0700
>> > > From: "Mark E. Mooney" <mark at moonware.net>
>> > > Subject: Re: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> > > To: "'A list for Ford Galaxie owners.'"
>> <galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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>> > > If you close the small circuit at the solenoid what happens?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Sounds like the key-to-solenoid circuit is crusty.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > MM
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >  _____
>> > >
>> > > From: galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > > [mailto:galaxie-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Dick
>> Barnes
>> > > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:06 AM
>> > > To: galaxie at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> > > Subject: [GALAXIE] Starter problem
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I have a starting problem with my 1966 352 when the engine is
>> cold. When
>> > I
>> > > turn the key there is initially no response at all. After
>> holding the key
>> > > on
>> > > start for a few seconds the relay will click,then chatter.
>> continuing to
>> > > hold the switch on start results in the starter begining to turn
>> very
>> > > slowly
>> > > , then increase in speed until it turns normally. Once the
>> engine starts
>> > > there is no further problem until the next cold start. I have
>> replaced
>> > the
>> > > starter motor and solenoid, battery is fully charged, I have
>> checked
>> > > cables
>> > > by running jumper cables from battery to relay, battery to
>> ground and
>> > > relay
>> > > to starter. Where do I go next????
>> > > Any help appreciated.
>> > > Rich
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